Deaths

[Freeebird]

Originally Posted by dxrobertson

"This stuff doesn't follow the rules, and it's very random in terms of how it affects whom"; Understand what you said. You happen to be one that survived, although at what medical cost. Others do NOT survive due to their "affects whom" makeup; over 700,000 here in US. They, we may NEED the vaccine.

Was un-vaccinated 11 days in the hospital better than vaccinated 0 days?

"People who took the vaccine are still being infected"- yes, but the infection is near always minor, again understand the "affects whom".

"They hadn't been vaccinated either, which just goes to show the "science" isn't all that scientific."- Your defining "science" as 3 people sitting around chatting and cross infecting each other? Look up how the vaccines were developed and how quickly; thats science.

LOL!!


This is just where I sit back and smile because we aren't supposed to talk about certain things on this forum.

[JFlightRisk]

Originally Posted by Freeebird

LOL!!


This is just where I sit back and smile because we aren't supposed to talk about certain things on this forum.

It's ok as long as the discussions remain civil and doesn't go off-topic. There's two "stickies" here to help guide the posts.

[Freeebird]

Originally Posted by JFlightRisk

It's ok as long as the discussions remain civil and doesn't go off-topic. There's two "stickies" here to help guide the posts.

Thanks, but it's not worth the effort to engage in these conversations. I shared my personal experience, and that's all I intended to do.


That being said, it does amaze me that no other disease/illness/virus in the history of mankind has ever been so politicized. Trump fast tracks a vaccine, the Democrats warn it's not safe. Trump loses the election, the Democrats say it's perfectly safe to the point of being mandated with no say in the matter.


It makes me wonder where things would stand with this vaccine had Trump been reelected. As my good friend, Forrest Gum...p, would say, that's all I have to say about that.

[Midnightmoon]

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[Happy wife / happy life]

The number of people lost to this virus is heartbreaking. It’s just to bad there’s not a source we can believe/trust for guidance.

[pconroy]

Originally Posted by craigav

In any case, I don't want to go down this road here and instead stay on topic as I plan to read more and keep an open mind.

It's a road I don't want to go down either. As the road, on other social platforms, inevitably degrades quickly.

Keeping an open mind is essential. I believe all sides need to do so. I'm neither virologist nor immunologist but have been listening and learning as much as I can over these last 20 months.

I believe it'll be about 3 years more before the science settles on this. Before we have a scientific consensus on many things Covid-19. Good science takes time.

[pconroy]

Originally Posted by Happy wife / happy life

It’s just to bad there’s not a source we can believe/trust for guidance.

There was a quote from a Doctor that I saw and liked. He basically said "Remember, we're learning about this virus and Covid in 'real-time.":

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“The main question is how long the immunologic protection against SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19, lasts,” says Albert Shaw, MD, PhD, a Yale Medicine infectious disease specialist. “And since we are learning about COVID-19 in real time, this is hard to know.”

“The booster question is being worked out as we speak,” Dr. Shaw says, noting that the open possibility of the need for a booster shot doesn’t represent a failure of the existing vaccines. “People get confused—or they think something is wrong—when guidance changes with COVID-19, but we have to remember that we are learning about this as we go."
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Ignore the context about boosters, his point that guidance changes is what I liked.

The scientists have rules: experiments are run, results/conclusions are to be submitted to a (respected) peer-reviewed journal where other scientists review the paper. If the "peers" feel the experiment and results were done well, then the paper is published.

Those are the rules that anyone who's in science signed up for when they picked that career.

That path takes weeks, often several months.
We, the public, refuse to wait. And we end up reading about pre-prints in the newspapers. Or we get our science from a social media post.

We can't have both, in my opinion.
Either we wait for the peer-reviewed papers to get printed, or we accept the fact that what we read is preliminary and may change.

[kirkelli]

I had two close friends die from the H1NI bug. I myself was hospitalized with it for one day and in bed for over a week. The worst i've ever been sic. I remember that bug was hitting hard everywhere you turned. With COVID I know over two dozen people that got it, no deaths yet, thank God. Most of these folks recovered within a week, some who took Vitamin D, C & Zinc recovered in a few days with exception to one. She was pretty sic for a few weeks but also had other health issues. But she is fine now. It's possible the vitamin regiment helped her. Each one of those persons compared the illness to having the common flu bug.. The two friends whom died from H1N1 had other health issues, one of them smoked like two packs of cigs a day. I believe COVID should be taken seriously as with any flu.. Anyone with pre condition health issues are not fairing the bug well

[hammer55]

Originally Posted by Happy wife / happy life

The number of people lost to this virus is heartbreaking. It’s just to bad there’s not a source we can believe/trust for guidance.

looks like 5 million have died from morbidity caused from covid, lets see if it were 1% that would be 77 million that would have died, one percent of 7.7 billion,

[kirkelli]

Originally Posted by hammer55

looks like 5 million have died from morbidity caused from covid, lets see if it were 1% that would be 77 million that would have died, one percent of 7.7 billion,

Even the CDC admits this virus has a 98.7% survival rate.. Pretty sure people in this world are starting to catch on.. It's pretty evident what we are seeing, people are wisen up.

[hammer55]

well when you subtract the deaths that were from other sources, (motorcycles, car wrecks, flu, heart attacks, cancer, falling off cliffs, ECT the death toll lowers significantly, even the CDC says the death toll has been exaggerated,,

[Jeffp60]

"For me and many like me it is similar to a new truck with a new engine design which may be the best engine ever, but many of us like to wait and see if that is true for a test of time, prior to purchasing a truck with the new engine design."
PANDEMIC OF THE UNVACCINATED.......
My chevrolet truck broke down Because everyone else drives Ford.

[TaftCoach]

Coming back to school from winter break and absenteeism from students and staff has skyrocketed. It's become impossible to conduct business as usual. Six of the 45 members of my golf team have tested positive and another five are quarantined because of close contact.

[Marine71-76]

DW has a retired co-worker who got COVID & spent 3 months in the hospital. He now has less than half his lung capacity & may need a lung transplant. She doesn't know if he had any previous health issues. We talked to our allergist about the shots & at 1st they were against our getting it. After several months, they said we should get them.

We both have allergies but DW for some reason, causes her more issues. I mean, she did fine with the original arm tests but then they gave her another 5 in the arm & not even 5 minutes later, she was in distress. And her 1st shot she was in distress. So yes, we talk to our allergist making sure there is nothing for her to be concerned about.

We also have been taking Vit C & D and Zinc for some time. DW has to take 5,000 iu of Vit D daily while I only take 1,000 iu.

[Jeffp60]

That's the funny part, TESTED positive. Sick ? No. But I can't work for ten days.
Vaccinated? Yes, hospital says I have to work now.......

[Jeffp60]

Originally Posted by Happy wife / happy life

The number of people lost to this virus is heartbreaking. It’s just to bad there’s not a source we can believe/trust for guidance.

THAT is the shame of it. Fda hides vaccine trial data, cdc and Dr fauci can't keep a consistent policy . Government won't be transparent about any of it. Now ,after 2 years they finally say yea most hospitalized are not BECAUSE OF virus. And next is deaths.

[Bill Johnson]

Covid19 307,305,588 cases. 5,505,345 deaths, that is 1.8% flu 2010 to 2020 41,000,000 cases 52,000 deaths, .125%

[kirkelli]

Originally Posted by Bill Johnson

Covid19 307,305,588 cases. 5,505,345 deaths, that is 1.8% flu 2010 to 2020 41,000,000 cases 52,000 deaths, .125%

of course we are assuming reported deaths are correct. Right now we are seeing an all time low in cancer deaths and other natural caused deaths. Kind of makes you wonder why. If the government wasn't paying hospitals big premiums for treating COVID patients we might see lower more honest numbers reflected. Everyone has a story of someone they know dying in the hospital being treated for health issues, and death listed as COVID. I personally know of 2. Yet i know of a lot of folks getting COCVID saying they were no worse than having the seasonal flu. However, I do believe COVID does attack people a lot worse with a weak immune systems than does the flu

[pconroy]

Originally Posted by Marine71-76

We also have been taking Vit C & D and Zinc for some time. DW has to take 5,000 iu of Vit D daily while I only take 1,000 iu.

I'm no Doctor, but...


The general thought is that one cannot easily OD on Vitamin D3. There are a number of factors that control how much your body will use, but again the current thinking is it's hard to ingest "too much". Which is a bit odd for a fat-soluble vitamin, admittedly.

There was an interesting paper published in Pathogens where two over-the-counter products exhibited promising results in inhibiting viral replication in human lung cells. See https://www.mdpi.com/2076-0817/10/11/1514


When a family member came down w/ Covid-19 before Christmas, I tried their lactoferrin and diphenhydramine approach.

Did it work? I don't know. But along with my daily dose of D3 it struck me as a simple approach worth trying.

As always - this is not medical advice, consult a doctor before trying anything...

[Bill Johnson]

Originally Posted by kirkelli

of course we are assuming reported deaths are correct. Right now we are seeing an all time low in cancer deaths and other natural caused deaths. Kind of makes you wonder why. If the government wasn't paying hospitals big premiums for treating COVID patients we might see lower more honest numbers reflected. Everyone has a story of someone they know dying in the hospital being treated for health issues, and death listed as COVID. I personally know of 2. Yet i know of a lot of folks getting COCVID saying they were no worse than having the seasonal flu. However, I do believe COVID does attack people a lot worse with a weak immune systems than does the flu

Mortality Statistics Branch at the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) said death certificates, filled out by a physician, medical examiner, or coroner, list any causes or conditions that contributed to the person’s death, determined based on the medical expertise of that professional. The condition “that began the chain of events that ultimately led to the person’s death” is considered the person’s “underlying cause of death.”

In these cases, this would be COVID-19. There are only a small group of people that believe that conspiracy theory