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05-11-2021, 03:32 PM
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Location: Daytona Beach
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S2RV Shocks
I just replaced my factory shocks at 28,000 miles and 3 years old. They had ZERO compression in them. I could compress and expand them by hand. Just replaced with Bilstein BIL24-196208 from Power Brakes and Springs. So far, way better...
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05-11-2021, 06:02 PM
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Senior Member
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Location: Akron
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lslblues
I just replaced my factory shocks at 28,000 miles and 3 years old. They had ZERO compression in them. I could compress and expand them by hand. Just replaced with Bilstein BIL24-196208 from Power Brakes and Springs. So far, way better...
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Exact same part number I put on my 2014. My original Sachs were poor and I had a lot of "porpoising" when the interstate pavement gaps were just right (wrong?). The Bilsteins were so much better. Not cheap but worth the better ride!
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Rob R.
Akron, OH
2014 Seneca 37TS
Toads: 2019 Ford Edge ST or 2013 Ford Focus ST
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08-14-2021, 07:55 PM
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Junior Member
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Location: Hollister
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I was starting to wonder if i could better the ride on rough roads after seeing your post. Curiosity got the best of me, so i pulled a shock off and found the same problem. 22,000 miles 3 years old and time to replace. I looked for your replacement number and cant find them anywhere, any chance you could steer me in the right direction? Thanks
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08-14-2021, 08:50 PM
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Location: Oregon Coast
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh Messina
I was starting to wonder if i could better the ride on rough roads after seeing your post. Curiosity got the best of me, so i pulled a shock off and found the same problem. 22,000 miles 3 years old and time to replace. I looked for your replacement number and cant find them anywhere, any chance you could steer me in the right direction? Thanks
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Here is a link.
https://store.pbstruckparts.com/bil-...&partType=PART
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Brian & Jeannie
2018.5 Seneca 37RB with to many mods to list
2015 Jeep JKU Rubicon
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08-15-2021, 04:48 AM
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Member
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Location: Daytona Beach
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My rear shocks were just as bad. I put on Gabriel Shock Absorber - 89443 on the rear.
There are supposedly some Koni shocks that work as well but can't track down numbers.
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08-15-2021, 07:10 AM
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Senior Member
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lslblues
There are supposedly some Koni shocks that work as well but can't track down numbers.
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Call HENDERSON LINE-UP they would know what is available.
https://www.hendersonslineup.com/
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08-17-2021, 01:05 PM
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We are on a trip up in the PNW and I checked out my front shocks... the starboard side is leaking oil from the top and from the middle.... I guess replacing the shocks when I get home moves to the top of the project list. I thought the "JRide" meant I have Bilstein shocks on the front, but mine are black.
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08-17-2021, 01:16 PM
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Senior Member
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Location: Akron
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rpietsch
We are on a trip up in the PNW and I checked out my front shocks... the starboard side is leaking oil from the top and from the middle.... I guess replacing the shocks when I get home moves to the top of the project list. I thought the "JRide" meant I have Bilstein shocks on the front, but mine are black.
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They did use the Bilsteins for a few years, but I heard they went back to the Sach shocks. Likely a cost-savings decision.
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Rob R.
Akron, OH
2014 Seneca 37TS
Toads: 2019 Ford Edge ST or 2013 Ford Focus ST
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08-17-2021, 02:17 PM
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Keep in mind, whether or not a shock has pressure pushing it open is not really a good test as more needs to be known (is the shock gas pressurized or not?). For example, a brand new Koni Shock you can push it in and pull it out and it will not expand to fully open, only the shocks with gas pressure will push themselves open. (fyi: some but not all Koni's are gas pressurized)
https://www.koni-na.com/en-US/NorthA...echnology/FAQ/
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08-17-2021, 04:34 PM
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Senior Member
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Quote:
Originally Posted by craigav
Keep in mind, whether or not a shock has pressure pushing it open is not really a good test as more needs to be known (is the shock gas pressurized or not?). For example, a brand new Koni Shock you can push it in and pull it out and it will not expand to fully open, only the shocks with gas pressure will push themselves open. (fyi: some but not all Koni's are gas pressurized)
https://www.koni-na.com/en-US/NorthA...echnology/FAQ/
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Very true. Expanding due to gas pressure is not a quality indicator. But when I swapped my stock Sachs front shocks for the Bilsteins, the originals when held by top eyelet, would drop to full extension with absolutely no resistance. No dampening whatsoever. When compressed, they would not extend on their own. No gas pressure if there was ever supposed to be. And it was way too easy to compress them, especially as it would relate to a Seneca front end's weight.
Mine appeared to be there for looks, they didn't do much shock absorbing!
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Rob R.
Akron, OH
2014 Seneca 37TS
Toads: 2019 Ford Edge ST or 2013 Ford Focus ST
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08-19-2021, 08:30 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbbyr
Very true. Expanding due to gas pressure is not a quality indicator. But when I swapped my stock Sachs front shocks for the Bilsteins, the originals when held by top eyelet, would drop to full extension with absolutely no resistance. No dampening whatsoever. When compressed, they would not extend on their own. No gas pressure if there was ever supposed to be. And it was way too easy to compress them, especially as it would relate to a Seneca front end's weight.
Mine appeared to be there for looks, they didn't do much shock absorbing!
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Yes indeed, when they go bad they can be very bad for sure, no resistance at all, no good at all. ~CA
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08-25-2021, 08:04 PM
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shocks dynamic resistance
Question I have. The Bilisteins that I put on my Kodiak had resistance upon compression. The originals had resistance upon extension. Whats the mechanical physics for the difference or advantage?
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08-26-2021, 05:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jump in say hey
Question I have. The Bilisteins that I put on my Kodiak had resistance upon compression. The originals had resistance upon extension. Whats the mechanical physics for the difference or advantage?
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The shocks have resistance in both directions. That may not be easily noticed on gas shocks like Bilsteins as the gas pushes the shock upwards, but nonetheless, offers resistance when going over bumps in the road.
Here is a pdf that shows the inside of a Bilstein, basically a piston in oil with a variable valve to let the oil flow through it.
https://cart.bilsteinus.com/portals/..._Motorhome.pdf
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09-15-2021, 05:29 PM
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New Bilstein Shocks in the Mail
The Sachs shocks are going in the trash. I ordered BIL24-248136 10K FRTLINER M2 Steer 60 MM from Power Brake & Spring. If you feel the need to upgrade, call Amy McDonald 574-289-1044 ext1306
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09-18-2021, 09:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 75462
The Sachs shocks are going in the trash. I ordered BIL24-248136 10K FRTLINER M2 Steer 60 MM from Power Brake & Spring. If you feel the need to upgrade, call Amy McDonald 574-289-1044 ext1306
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If you don’t mond me asking, why did they cost?
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Brian & Jeannie
2018.5 Seneca 37RB with to many mods to list
2015 Jeep JKU Rubicon
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09-19-2021, 04:49 AM
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Location: Paris
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rustynuts
If you don’t mond me asking, why did they cost?
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Out the door,498
Ready to test the ride down I-45 soon.
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09-20-2021, 12:53 PM
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Amazon has Monroe 65433 Gas-Magnum as an OEM replacement for $63.00. 60mm bore gas shock. Cross reference to Freightliner 10-13760-000 installed.
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Palm Desert, CA (formerly)
Sioux Falls, SD (for taxes)
2014 Seneca 37FS
2015 Wrangler Sport toad
red-headed wife
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02-18-2024, 08:26 PM
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Junior Member
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RoWest
Amazon has Monroe 65433 Gas-Magnum as an OEM replacement for $63.00. 60mm bore gas shock. Cross reference to Freightliner 10-13760-000 installed.
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Did you see a significant improvement with Monroe shocks? I am just curious, sometimes you get what you pay for and they are a significantly cheaper than Bilstein or Fox shocks.
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02-19-2024, 08:46 AM
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Senior Member
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Location: Central Ohio
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I have an extra set of front Gabriel shocks for the S2RV if anyone is interested. I ordered from two different sources when they were backordered and installed the first to arrive. PM me if interest, I know this can sometimes be hard to find in stock.
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02-19-2024, 10:43 AM
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Senior Member
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Location: Sioux Falls
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shocking
The Monroe shocks were a vast improvement over the dead Sachs OEM shocks, but that was 25,000 miles ago and the Interstate system is still crap. I had Gabriel shocks installed at a truck alignment shop and that really helped the sway in drainage channels. 97,000 miles on our Seneca purchased new. When the freeway-washboard gets too loud, I turn my hearing aids down.
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Palm Desert, CA (formerly)
Sioux Falls, SD (for taxes)
2014 Seneca 37FS
2015 Wrangler Sport toad
red-headed wife
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