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Old 10-28-2015, 03:07 PM   #1
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2014 F150 plus 28BHBE equals?

Hey there everyone,

I know that this question has been asked before and there's many pages to read through (which I have) but I just keep getting confused over the numbers. From what I've seen they don't match mine. I have an F150 Screw Cab with Eco-boost c/w Heavy Duty Tow Package and 3.5 Gear Ratio. Drivers Manual says Max GCWR is 15500LB. I've managed to get a picture of all the stickers that pertain to my potential setup and hope to find out a definitive answer before this Saturday. Hoping someone can tell me if this is safe or not? If it isn't safe what trailer weight would be safe. I would consider a new truck if mine wasn't less than a year old.

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Old 10-28-2015, 03:39 PM   #2
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Your payload is 1138 lbs. (total of what your truck is designed to carry)

The tongue weight of trailer is 800+lbs.
The driver and ONE passenger is 300+lbs.
A full tank of fuel is 150+ lbs.

800
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150
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1250 lbs (+ any other passengers, luggage, coolers, ect = unsafe).
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Old 10-28-2015, 03:53 PM   #3
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Cyclones,

You are challenged according to the numbers on paper. I have a 28BHBE, and when all loaded up my tongue weight is somewhere around 1100 lbs (don't recall exactly sitting here). So, you are out of payload.

In addition, I advocate my completely unscientific and totally subjective test: the "clean underwear" test. Simply put, I would be a little hesitant with the proposed rig should anything unexpected happen - I would feel much more comfortable with more truck.

That being said - what is your expected use? Less than 100 miles away on mostly flat roads without that much traffic? Or a thousand miles through mountain grades?

My point is that there is the purely quantitative analysis based upon specifications and Cat scale weights, and there is the subjective evaluation based on how comfortable you feel. What is right for me is having both.
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Old 10-28-2015, 04:12 PM   #4
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Your payload is 1138 lbs. (total of what your truck is designed to carry)

The tongue weight of trailer is 800+lbs.
The driver and ONE passenger is 300+lbs.
A full tank of fuel is 150+ lbs.

800
300
150
+___
1250 lbs (+ any other passengers, luggage, coolers, ect = unsafe).
Also not listed is the wdh (weight distribution hitch) which could be close to 100lbs, or ANY accessories that you (or the dealer) added to the truck after it rolled off the assembly line. Bed liner, tonneau cover/ fiberglass topper, mud flaps, HD floor mats, brush guard, etc all need to be included in the total toward your 1138lbs of payload....

Power wise you would probably be fine, you just don't have the suspension for that trailer. The other major number to watch is the rar (rear axle rating).

Try to pick a lighter trailer, or plan on upgrading the truck.

Keep in mind a tt (travel trailer) needs approximately 12-15% of the total loaded trailer weight to be "tw" (tongue weight). Meaning if you placed a scaled under the tongue of a 10,000lb loaded, ready to camp trailer you would have a tw of approximately 1200-1500lbs. Having this percentage of tw will help give a stable, safe towing experience. As mentioned though, this tw amount is included in the payload of the truck (tow vehicle).

Due to the tw of 12-15%, some suggest when shopping to use 13% of the trailer gvwr for a close estimate.

How much does the family weigh, and what do you plan on loading in the truck bed??? Any accessories added to your truck? This info can help us suggest a possible trailer. Do know that your trucks payload is fairly low which is going to be tough!! We had a '10 Chevy 1500 CCSB 4x4, but it had about 1550lbs of payload per the yellow sticker.

Another thing manufacture do is when they list a "brochure" dry trailer weight or tongue weight, sometimes "mandatory" options are not included in the dry trailer weight. The dry tongue (hitch) weight does not include the propane tank(s) or battery either!!! For 2-20lb tanks and a battery it adds about 120lbs to the tw. For 2-30lb tanks and a battery it adds about 160lbs to the tw.

Another concern is the trucks factory receiver hitch. It is only rated for about 1100lbs of tw (with a wdh) if I remember correctly from other posts.

Good luck!!!
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Old 10-28-2015, 04:16 PM   #5
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Definitely in the unsafe area. Payload alone will be exceeded should you ever hook up that trailer to your truck. At 6700 pounds before loading it, you are looking at 7500 or so for total weight when ready to camp with a tongue weight of 900+ pounds at 12% and 1,125 at 15%.

Based on your payload, the numbers will not work... any way!

I don't see a way that truck could pull that trailer... even for short distances.
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While I agree it looks like you will be overloaded. A full tank of gas is already factored into your 1138lb payload don't add it in again.

Also, the weight listed on the sticker of my 2016 26bh includes the 2 propane tanks. So if yours is the same don't add those in twice too.
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Old 10-28-2015, 04:44 PM   #7
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Sorry OP, I agree with everyone else. Ford really confused a lot of truck buyers with the names of these packages. The max tow package is a misnomer. To tow heavier weights you need the MAX PAYLOAD option.

That trailer will likely be too much for your truck. I bought my 29QBS and pulled it with my Tundra. On paper it worked. I had 1400 lbs payload and we were right at the razor's edge with tongue weight and the family loaded up. We couldn't bring bikes in the bed, firewood, toys for the kids, etc etc in the bed of the truck because we would be over weight. The truck had plenty of power, but I was worried about stopping in an emergency.

Since we travel about 10-15 times a year, including a 2000 mile round trip once a year we decided to upgrade to a 3/4 ton. It was expensive, but we now have PLENTY of payload and plenty of exhaust braking and conventional braking. We can bring the bikes, firewood, toys, stroller, food, water, etc and not have to worry about our weights.

If you are going to do it, you should do it right.
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Add me to the "too much trailer for that truck" camp. And I have the first hand experience to back up my assertion.

I towed my 2014 28BHBE for a little over a year with a 2012 GMC Sierra 1500 before I finally had enough and upgraded to a Ram 2500. It did okay on the flats, but the minute you get into a hill, it's not good.

I'm MUCH more comfortable now that I have some capacity and I'm not operating on the margin!
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I'm with Bob...towed mine with the wife's SUV for 1st year and had enough. I sold my car and bought Ram 2500 too. Night and day difference!

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While I agree it looks like you will be overloaded. A full tank of gas is already factored into your 1138lb payload don't add it in again.

Also, the weight listed on the sticker of my 2016 26bh includes the 2 propane tanks. So if yours is the same don't add those in twice too.

As for the gas tank empty vs full concerning payload, I have never been told a for sure either way. One of these days maybe! Lol

Yes, you are correct in that the yellow sticker inside each trailer includes the propane tanks, the "brochure or website" weight does not from what I have found. So while Cyclones is shopping via the website or brochure weight, it needs to be taken into account. Also, my post was geared more toward the fact the manufacture listed dry tw does not include that weight. So a 800lb tw (onky an example) is quickly over 900lbs before loading anything except the propane tanks and a battery.
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