2016 WhiteHawks - More Weight= Dissapointment

[gradertb]

I ordered a 2016 Whitehawk 28dsbh and was dissapointed that the weight increased 700lbs from 5500 on the 2015 model to 6200lbs on the 2016. I have a 2007 Silverado with 5.3l 3.73 rear end with a tow rating of 7600lbs. Dealer says I am good to go with the truck I have but I am a bit nervous to purchase the trailer because I feel i am pushing the upper limits of my truck's capability. The trailer is at the dealer, waiting for us to pick it up however no paperworkas been signed.

I am dissapointed with the weight increase for the 2016's. Any of you feel the same way? Would you purchase this trailer with my set up?

I am bummed out!

[tylersdad]

I would be hesitant. You will definitely be at one of your limits and will not make for a comfortable ride. Don't believe the dealer. They want to sell you a travel trailer.

Check this post out. The original poster is in the same boat as you except her limit is 7700.

http://www.jaycoowners.com/forums/f7...150-29642.html

[gradertb]

I saw that as well. The Whitehawks hit that half ton truck weight just right in previous models. I think I am going to have to back out.

[jamaddox]

We had the same problem. Lucky for us my wife liked the 23mbh. Not saying that is what you should get just that there are some out there that could work

[dmward]

Our 2014 came in at 6000 from the factory, as-equipped. Based on 5455 from the spec. Add another 500 too.

[Donedroolin]

Yea you would be close with family and gear. Unless you can limit what you bring. Get it take it easy, load lite then possibly look into a heavier truck. I usually like when they add weight to me I feel there building it with better material. Don't think I'm telling you to overload your truck just bring essentials then buy food and things you need when get there. It's a tough decision. Jayco does make lighter trailers. Good luck

[Crabman]

It seems they are now using 5/8 plywood for the floors which may explain some of the weight increase. But that`s a good thing, IMO.

From the Whitehawk standards and options page;

Standard Exterior Equipment
Aerodynamic, rounded front profile with front diamond plate
Deluxe graphics package
TuffShell vacuum-bonded, laminated side, rear & front walls including slide walls
Magnum Truss Roof System with one-piece seamless DiFlex II material
5/8” tongue-in-groove plywood decked flooring

[bono]

When did you order your White Hawk? The 2016 specs are known for a while...

[gradertb]

It appears that even the 2014-15 were delivered at 6000lbs so 6200lb isnt too far off. When I ordered it there was conflicting reports of what the weights actually were. Some dealers were showing 2015 weights and others were 6300lbs. So until I actually received the unit, I didn't really know what the weight was going to be. I also wasn't obligated to buy it either.

From what I have read, the 28dsbh has been an excellent unit for a half ton truck for which attracted me to a Whitehawk anyways.

[gradertb]

I think it was around May/June. Jayco had not released any brochures at that time.

[Murff]

I just checked the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) for the 2015 and it is 7500 pounds. The Unloaded Vehicle Weight (UVW) is 5460 for 2015.

The unloaded vehicle weight for the 2016 is 6020 pounds and the GVWR remains at 7500 pounds.
Either way, your truck is probably not the best tow vehicle for this trailer.

Murff

[dmward]

Originally Posted by gradertb

It appears that even the 2014-15 were delivered at 6000lbs so 6200lb isnt too far off. When I ordered it there was conflicting reports of what the weights actually were. Some dealers were showing 2015 weights and others were 6300lbs. So until I actually received the unit, I didn't really know what the weight was going to be. I also wasn't obligated to buy it either.

From what I have read, the 28dsbh has been an excellent unit for a half ton truck for which attracted me to a Whitehawk anyways.

It's a great TT for a half ton but you still need a good towing package.

I love my combo, but I have max tow (up to 11,200 lbs) and a good hitch.

Having said that, I wouldn't go any bigger for TT with my truck, because of payload limitations.

[gradertb]

Here is what I came up with: 2007 Silverado 2wd Crew Cab 5.3 with 3.73 gears

Truck GVWR (6800)
Tow Capacity (7600)
Truck GCWR (13000)
Truck Curb Weight (5,015 - Online Reference, not actual scale)

Camper Dry Weight (6200)
Camper Hitch Weight (660)

Total Truck Weight (est)= 5,014 (curb) + 600 (family) + 100 (WD) + 660 (Tounge) + 100 (bikes, etc) = 6,448lbs

6,800(GVWR) - 6,448 = 351lbs Of Remaining GVWR

13,000(GCWR) - 6,449 = 6,551lbs Actual Tow Rating

Dry weight of 2016 28dsbh is 6,200 minus 6551 = 351lbs of load capacity

Does the math look correct to you?

[gradertb]

Dry weight posted on camper door is 6200lbs which includes full propane and full generator gas tank.

[Jim-n-Ash]

Our 2016 23MRB has a GVR of 6500, and by phone, Ford told us that our TV's tow capacity is 9500. We have only driven ours three times now - once with nothing of ours in it, and twice with some of our stuff loaded - and though we notice the difference from the pop-up we used to have (half the weight of this), and a little slowing down up hills, we are pretty comfortable with it. (We have not weighed it ourselves yet.)

[tylersdad]

Originally Posted by Jim-n-Ash

Our 2016 23MRB has a GVR of 6500, and by phone, Ford told us that our TV's tow capacity is 9500. We have only driven ours three times now - once with nothing of ours in it, and twice with some of our stuff loaded - and though we notice the difference from the pop-up we used to have (half the weight of this), and a little slowing down up hills, we are pretty comfortable with it. (We have not weighed it ourselves yet.)

We have a 2016 23MRB as well and are towing with the F-150. Our experience is similar to yours. Just out of curiosity, what vehicle are you towing with and what rear ratio do you have?

[goducks]

That 660 tongue weight will increase as you load the TT. The average family loads 1000lbs in their TT. That puts you at 7200lbs. So using the min 10% for TW your TT will have a TW of 720lbs. Now add in what ever you put in the TT's front storage compartment and under the bed. I'm guessing you need to add another 150-200lbs for all that. And that will be added to your TW. so now you're at 870-920lbs for TW. Which is 210-260lbs more which will be added to the trucks payload of which you have stated you only have 351lbs left.
JMO but you're at your limits. BTDT with an F150 and a 31' 7300lb 950lb TW trailer. I was right at the trucks limits. I was under the GVW and RAWR by only 50lbs. It really wasn't any fun having to be careful when packing. I moved up to a 3/4 ton and in doing so gained a better handling tow vehicle as well as the ability to take anything I wanted.
I would either upgrade the truck if the TT is something you really want or look for a lighter TT.

[Jim-n-Ash]

Tylersdad, we don't actually know the rear-end ratio on our TV, though I suppose we could call Ford again with the VIN and find out. It's a 2008 F-150, King Ranch, and does not have the tow package. We got the weight distribution hitch and sway bar from the dealer before we brought it home. We're still fiddling the adjustment on the sway bar.

[Sundancer330]

To see the original factory sticker which will list your rear-end ratio enter your VIN for free at researchmaniacs.com

[gradertb]

I ended up backing out of the deal. Truck isn't enough to handle the load. The salesman tried to tell me I was good to go but after I did my homework, I was in a unsafe situation. The salesman need to be educated on tow ratings and be careful on what they tell you. I guess I am back to shopping again. May go look at Keystone or Crossroads.