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Old 07-30-2015, 11:01 PM   #21
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I must admit, i always travel with full fresh tanks. I like my water
From home. (sometimes a campgrounds supply is questionable).
We did go to a park with full hookups once, but i still filled our tanks. We are boondockers thru and thru. It does make my weights a bit heavier, but tongue weight does not change a lot as the fresh tanks are just ahead of the front axle. It does add 700lbs to TT total weight tho. But no problems towing it all.
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Old 07-31-2015, 04:52 PM   #22
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I had a 2010 Sierra with max trailering package that was rated for 10,500. I had a 18' enclosed trailer to haul the toys. The trailer and toys weighed maybe 6500lbs. Just towing that in the modest hills of PA had the rpms higher than I could take. And I always knew it was back there... When my wife wanted a camper heavier than that setup, I said sure but I'm getting a truck suited for the task. To each their own. But I laugh when I read how some say I don't know it's back there or I pull hills great in a 1500/150 with any real weight...
What's interesting about the 1500 vs 2500/3500 comparison is that a properly equipped 1500 is typically rated to tow almost the same as a gas-engine 2500/3500. The Sierra 2500/3500 with the 6L is rated to 13k# and the 1500 with the 6.2L is rated 12k# and has more torque. The big difference is duty cycle, the HDs can tow all-day everyday, but they are still going to being roaring up hills and mountains at 4000 RPM.

When I do eventually upgrade to a fifth wheel TT, I am going to get an MDT, the International Durastar's seem like the kind of HD for me!
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Old 07-31-2015, 10:48 PM   #23
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What's interesting about the 1500 vs 2500/3500 comparison is that a properly equipped 1500 is typically rated to tow almost the same as a gas-engine 2500/3500. The Sierra 2500/3500 with the 6L is rated to 13k# and the 1500 with the 6.2L is rated 12k# and has more torque. The big difference is duty cycle, the HDs can tow all-day everyday, but they are still going to being roaring up hills and mountains at 4000 RPM.



When I do eventually upgrade to a fifth wheel TT, I am going to get an MDT, the International Durastar's seem like the kind of HD for me!

Nope your wrong. My HD Duramax never goes near 3000 pulling a hill. It has never seen 4000. And it can build speed up a hill and not hit 3000. And paper ratings of 1500 vs 2500/3500 don't mean squat... Real world matters. Not trying to argue but funny u fine pulling this size trailer with 1500 but then jump up a few tow vehicle sizes for a fifth wheel and some of those aren't much bigger. You let us know what you get when you "eventually upgrade" lol...
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Old 08-01-2015, 08:01 AM   #24
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Nope your wrong. My HD Duramax never goes near 3000 pulling a hill. It has never seen 4000. And it can build speed up a hill and not hit 3000. And paper ratings of 1500 vs 2500/3500 don't mean squat... Real world matters. Not trying to argue but funny u fine pulling this size trailer with 1500 but then jump up a few tow vehicle sizes for a fifth wheel and some of those aren't much bigger. You let us know what you get when you "eventually upgrade" lol...
As I stated in the post, I am talking about gasoline engines. Diesels are a whole different ballgame. My issue with a diesel in a 2500/3500 is completely different, have you ever seen a mechanic try and repair your duramax? Its squeezed in there like a fat guy in a rollercoaster. With MDTs and HDTs you have excellent access to the engine and other components...
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Old 08-01-2015, 08:22 AM   #25
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What's interesting about the 1500 vs 2500/3500 comparison is that a properly equipped 1500 is typically rated to tow almost the same as a gas-engine 2500/3500. The Sierra 2500/3500 with the 6L is rated to 13k# and the 1500 with the 6.2L is rated 12k# and has more torque. The big difference is duty cycle, the HDs can tow all-day everyday, but they are still going to being roaring up hills and mountains at 4000 RPM.

When I do eventually upgrade to a fifth wheel TT, I am going to get an MDT, the International Durastar's seem like the kind of HD for me!
While the paper tow rating for a 1500 is ALMOST the same as a 2500/3500 gas truck, the BIG difference is PAYLOAD!!! A 1500 will NEVER get close to it's tow rating without going over the payload when towing a tt 99% of the time. As mentioned, some have upward of 1200lbs for tw with the 28 BHBE, which may leave about 500lbs (depending on cab/bed configuration) left of payload for the family, coolers, bikes, firewood, etc.

1500/150 trucks tow rating are consumer driven. So the manufactures do what they can to sell the 1500/150's that the consumer wants by saying it can "tow 12k lbs", but in the fine print it talks about not exceeding the payload. Possible when towing open trailers which are able to have ~10% tw for a stable tow, not the ~ 13-15% tw our rolling bricks need for a stable tow. Makes a big difference toward the trucks payload, especially when a family is loaded in the truck.
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Old 08-01-2015, 09:31 PM   #26
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While the paper tow rating for a 1500 is ALMOST the same as a 2500/3500 gas truck, the BIG difference is PAYLOAD!!! A 1500 will NEVER get close to it's tow rating without going over the payload when towing a tt 99% of the time. As mentioned, some have upward of 1200lbs for tw with the 28 BHBE, which may leave about 500lbs (depending on cab/bed configuration) left of payload for the family, coolers, bikes, firewood, etc.

1500/150 trucks tow rating are consumer driven. So the manufactures do what they can to sell the 1500/150's that the consumer wants by saying it can "tow 12k lbs", but in the fine print it talks about not exceeding the payload. Possible when towing open trailers which are able to have ~10% tw for a stable tow, not the ~ 13-15% tw our rolling bricks need for a stable tow. Makes a big difference toward the trucks payload, especially when a family is loaded in the truck.
With RAMs and GMCs you are definitely right, 1500s do not come anywhere near 2500/3500s when it comes to payload. But the new F150 payload is between 2000-3000# depending on the configurations, so I still think the deciding factor is duty cycle. If you are occasionally towing, a modern 1500 is going to suit you well. If you tow every week, or are towing a big fifth wheel, you need to shell out the $$$ for a 2500/3500.

I think we have gotten off topic, after looking back at the different responses it looks like the 28BHBE can be towed by a properly equipped 1500, unless you have the elite package and/or full tanks. My base model seems to be on the low side at 800#, Camper Bob is at 1000#, and Northern Jay is the heavyweight at 1200#. I think that Mike has an issue because the RAM 1500, especially the EcoDiesel, have relatively low payload capacities.

My dealer was relatively honest about the weight issue with these trailers, he said that the best way you can estimate the tongue weight is by using Jayco's specified values to estimate a tongue weight ratio. For the 2016 28BHBE the dry hitch weight over dry trailer weight gives a 10% value, which is the same for the 2015 28BHBE (my model). This works out almost exactly to what my weights were 771/7297=10.6%.

EDIT: I should note that I was not comfortable towing on the P-rated tires that came with my truck, almost all of my towing has been done on LT-rated tires (Cooper Discoverer HT3, perform well but are LOUD).
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Concerning the F150, yes, it has the available payload when equiped with the HD package (I think it is- not that I have shopped, but from reading posts on RV.net that is the only way from wjhat I understand???). I guess I figure a crew cab truck for a family when looking at a bh like the 28 BHBE. BUT... For the average persone walking into a dealer to buy a truck, the chance of them finding that package is very slim unless it's a special order. That's why I didn't single that model/ configuration out.

As for LT tires, I had a set of the Discover A/T3's LR C, and was very happy with them! To me they weren't any louder than the stock Bridgstone Duellers on our '10-1500. Got rid of the p rated "wiggle" as I call it!

Biggest thing to watch is just how much is put in the bed of a truck!
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Concerning the F150, yes, it has the available payload when equiped with the HD package (I think it is- not that I have shopped, but from reading posts on RV.net that is the only way from wjhat I understand???). I guess I figure a crew cab truck for a family when looking at a bh like the 28 BHBE. BUT... For the average persone walking into a dealer to buy a truck, the chance of them finding that package is very slim unless it's a special order. That's why I didn't single that model/ configuration out.

As for LT tires, I had a set of the Discover A/T3's LR C, and was very happy with them! To me they weren't any louder than the stock Bridgstone Duellers on our '10-1500. Got rid of the p rated "wiggle" as I call it!

Biggest thing to watch is just how much is put in the bed of a truck!
Maybe I am not running them at the right pressure, the dealer recommended 50psi, but they weren't sure since not many people have LT's on their 1500's. Cooper does not seem to provide an inflation table for their tires.
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Yeah, the F-150 with Max Tow and Max Payload is a unicorn from what I understand. And if you could find one, you're definitely paying A LOT more for it than I did my RAM 2500 Tradesman with 6.4 HEMI. It's better equipped than my GMC was, has 4 WD, has a much more stout engine, has capacity to spare (towing and payload), and has pretty good road manners for a big a$$ truck. All that, and new-to-new it was only about 5K more than the GMC; well worth it IMO.
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Old 08-03-2015, 10:59 AM   #30
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My 28bhbe has a tongue weight from 900-1200lb depending on how it's loaded. This is with full propane and no liquid in tanks.
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