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Old 06-29-2015, 04:49 PM   #1
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28DSBH - floor plan, TV

Hello,

I am thinking about buying 2016 WHITE HAWK 28DSBH. I am new to the TT concept, therefore, I have a few questions.

Background

Family: me, wife, toddler, number two in the 1-2 years time + dog

TV: BMW X5 diesel, tongue weight 600 lbs, towing capacity 7,700 lbs (there are some other specs online – 6,000 lbs -, but I am confident 7,700 lbs is the proper one for my vehicle)

TT: Dry Hitch Weight 655 lbs, Unloaded Vehicle Weight 6020 lbs, Gross Vehicle Weight Rating 7500 lbs

2016 White Hawk 28DSBH | Jayco, Inc.

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Do you think that this trailer (floorplan, etc.) is a good idea for my family? I have no experience with travel trailers, so I really need an advice from more experienced folks.

The issue which bugs me is the tongue weight. I see two options here: using weight distribution system (which is not recommended by BMW, but many owners use it without problems) or to try to pack some stuff in the back of the trailer to keep the tongue weight as low as possible. I need to admit that I do not want to be conservative as many owners are. If not this model, I would like to use the max of my car towing capacity.

Please let me know what do you think about it?

I am very much into hiking. I love Yosemite NP. There are many campground spots which are restricted to 24 ft long trailers. I have read that this is not a restriction per se as nobody is checking the size of the trailer and as far as you can park the trailer without blocking the road you should be fine.

The trailer I am looking at is 32' 9" long – question to Yosemite experts: is it too long for this park or generally, should be fine?

Many thanks for your feedback!

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Old 06-29-2015, 08:13 PM   #2
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That would be a good family camper. However, it is already to heavy for your tow vehicle by having a empty hitch weight of 655lbs while you TV has a 600lbs rating. By the time you add full propane tanks and battery plus all your stuff in the camper, people in the TV, you will well exceed the tong weight rating. That is a big camper and requires a bigger tow vehicle like a 2500 pickup to safely haul. Most SUV's are not heavy enough nor have proper gearing and brakes for heavy loads. Something in the low 20'sfoot range would be better suited for your vehicle.
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That would be a good family camper. However, it is already to heavy for your tow vehicle by having a empty hitch weight of 655lbs while you TV has a 600lbs rating. By the time you add full propane tanks and battery plus all your stuff in the camper, people in the TV, you will well exceed the tong weight rating. That is a big camper and requires a bigger tow vehicle like a 2500 pickup to safely haul. Most SUV's are not heavy enough nor have proper gearing and brakes for heavy loads. Something in the low 20'sfoot range would be better suited for your vehicle.
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I would agree with bap. We started with a small 23ft trailer, no slides and it weighed 4200lbs dry, 420lb tongue. We towed with a Toyota Highlander, and on the way back from the first significant trip, I told the wife we were upgrading our tow vehicle - white knuckled the whole way back. We now have a Ford F150 Ecoboost with the Max Tow package. This year we upgraded to a 28ft Jayco. Well within specs and handles great. Trust the feedback here. No matter how it looks on paper, it won't feel comfortable.

You would want to stay in the 20ft range, possibly look at the hybrid trailers (tent popouts) rather than hard sides. If you want something larger or with slides, get a dedicated tow vehicle.
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It's a great floor plan and you'll love it with your family.

But get a new truck to tow it with.
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Agree with every post here. And having been a recent SUV owner that thought they could keep the tongue light enough, and it didn't work, and upgraded to a truck that could tow it, you won't be sorry buying smaller or getting a truck now.

And the tongue weight listed for our trailer was within our allowable tongue weight. And still no way to keep it even close to that once loaded. The trailer you're looking at is already over the tongue weight and will be way over once it's the proper ratio to the weight of the trailer.

Sounds like you have the Invisihitch which allows the full tow rating of the X5 (the hitch that comes standard in Europe), but unfortunately BMW only allows a tongue weight of 600# as the trailers in Europe are designed to be towed with a lighter tongue. That's why the factory hitch in NA has a 6000# tow limit as it coincides with our minimum 10% tongue weight standard here.
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An X5 is a sports car on steroids, not a TV. Get a pickup!
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Hi Guys,

Many thanks for your responses! I really, really appreciate this.

I am not going to give up on my X5 soon. I am waiting for BMW X7 to be launched in 2018 or if I do not like the new model I will go with Mercedes GLS (rated 7500#/750#). But at least for the next three years I am planning to use X5.

Definitely there are not many people going over the towing capacity of the vehicles. One of them is “withidl”. He has kind of high status among the Airstream towing community. He is towing 8,500 lbs trailer with 1,000 lbs tongue weight with his BMW X5.
@SilverEscape – currently I have OE Euro hitch in my X5. I imported this from Europe as I wanted to avoid the ugly bumper cut which it required with the US spec hitch – Invisihitch was not available in 2011 I believe. I will need to change it as the Euro hitch is rated to 250 lbs tongue weight and 7,700 lbs trailer.

I know Invisihitch does not work with weight distribution system (one user reported some damages to the hitch when using WDS and the manufacturer claims that the hitch will not work with WDS).

So, I will go with US OE hitch (rated 6000#/600#) with the WDS (and with the ugly bumper cut). The question is whether I should beef it up before installing?

Many thanks!

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Hi Guys,

Many thanks for your responses! I really, really appreciate this.

I am not going to give up on my X5 soon. I am waiting for BMW X7 to be launched in 2018 or if I do not like the new model I will go with Mercedes GLS (rated 7500#/750#). But at least for the next three years I am planning to use X5.

Definitely there are not many people going over the towing capacity of the vehicles. One of them is “withidl”. He has kind of high status among the Airstream towing community. He is towing 8,500 lbs trailer with 1,000 lbs tongue weight with his BMW X5.
@SilverEscape – currently I have OE Euro hitch in my X5. I imported this from Europe as I wanted to avoid the ugly bumper cut which it required with the US spec hitch – Invisihitch was not available in 2011 I believe. I will need to change it as the Euro hitch is rated to 250 lbs tongue weight and 7,700 lbs trailer.

I know Invisihitch does not work with weight distribution system (one user reported some damages to the hitch when using WDS and the manufacturer claims that the hitch will not work with WDS).

So, I will go with US OE hitch (rated 6000#/600#) with the WDS (and with the ugly bumper cut). The question is whether I should beef it up before installing?

Many thanks!

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If you are not willing to change your TV then you have to get a lighter/smaller trailer.

Just because some guy tows overweight and has been lucky enough to get away with it so far does not make it a smart or safe thing to do. Your family is going to be inside the X5. You will feel comfortable knowing your family is in the vehicle and while towing overweight, breaking the law and putting them and others at risk?

Any idea what the legal and monetary liabilities are should something go wrong?

Not a smart choice imo to go ahead with something that is unsafe. But to each his own.

Glad I do not live near the Bay Area.
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The car is rated to tow 7,700 lbs trailer. I am going to use weight distribution system to decrease the tongue weight.

I am just curious, which part means breaking the law?
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