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Old 05-18-2016, 04:42 PM   #51
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Old 05-18-2016, 04:56 PM   #52
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So I just took the front fender measurement unloaded, and it appears when the trailer is hooked up fully with the WDH engaged my front fender is 1 1/2" to 2" higher. Keep in mind this is without water loaded. Any suggestions? Would you guys add a washer (currently have 5) or raise/lower brackets?

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So I just took the front fender measurement unloaded, and it appears when the trailer is hooked up fully with the WDH engaged my front fender is 1 1/2" to 2" higher. Keep in mind this is without water loaded. Any suggestions? Would you guys add a washer (currently have 5) or raise/lower brackets?

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I will be adding a washer after my weekend excursion, I also have 5 washers in now which was what I had on my F150 SCREW last year. I ordered a bolt pack for the equalizer from etrailer.com, it arrived today. My distance measurement on the fenders per the install guide I am not QUITE returning 50% of the front fender hight no weight distribution vs weight distribution but its close. Its better to be in the 50-100% return per the instructions.

Cat scale wise, my results where
With WD Engaged: Steer 4020, Drive 4580, Trailer 7320
With WD Disengaged: Steer 3860, Drive 4820, Trailer 7260
No Trailer: Steer 4240, Drive 3480, Trailer 0

So with no weight distribution at all with trailer, my front axle is 420 pounds lighter than with no trailer, adding the weight distribution with 5 washers its 220 pounds lighter. Adding the 6th washer should help get that closer to 0.

Without the manual right in front of me as I type, I believe if you really read the install guide, it actually recommends 6 with higher tongue weight vehicles exceeding 1200 pounds or so, which a Ram 2500 qualifies. It also advises that you should only adjust the brackets if you are temporarily trying to increase the weight distribution, otherwise use up to 8 washers.

The weights above were a loaded travel trailer (29bhds) without water, 2 adults, 2 kids, and some bikes, a wagon, and small bundle of firewood in the bed.
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I will be adding a washer after my weekend excursion, I also have 5 washers in now which was what I had on my F150 SCREW last year. I ordered a bolt pack for the equalizer from etrailer.com, it arrived today. My distance measurement on the fenders per the install guide I am not QUITE returning 50% of the front fender hight no weight distribution vs weight distribution but its close. Its better to be in the 50-100% return per the instructions.

Cat scale wise, my results where
With WD Engaged: Steer 4020, Drive 4580, Trailer 7320
With WD Disengaged: Steer 3860, Drive 4820, Trailer 7260
No Trailer: Steer 4240, Drive 3480, Trailer 0

So with no weight distribution at all with trailer, my front axle is 420 pounds lighter than with no trailer, adding the weight distribution with 5 washers its 220 pounds lighter. Adding the 6th washer should help get that closer to 0.

Without the manual right in front of me as I type, I believe if you really read the install guide, it actually recommends 6 with higher tongue weight vehicles exceeding 1200 pounds or so, which a Ram 2500 qualifies. It also advises that you should only adjust the brackets if you are temporarily trying to increase the weight distribution, otherwise use up to 8 washers.

The weights above were a loaded travel trailer (29bhds) without water, 2 adults, 2 kids, and some bikes, a wagon, and small bundle of firewood in the bed.
Thank you for the info, the 27bhs is around 620 for hitch weight. I'm a newbie, just trying to see how you determine how I will hit over the 1,000 mark to need the extra washer? Supplies in the bed?

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Old 05-18-2016, 08:21 PM   #55
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Thank you for the info, the 27bhs is around 620 for hitch weight. I'm a newbie, just trying to see how you determine how I will hit over the 1,000 mark to need the extra washer? Supplies in the bed?

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Well, I am at 960 tongue weight (from scale results of truck axles without weight distribution, minus weight of the truck) but according to Jayco's specs I should be at 765, same as your 620 which matches the 2016 specs. You might be surprised how much "stuff" in the trailer can add. If your going to tow with water in the tanks, it really depends where your tanks are as to how much it will affect your weight, mine full of fresh water is 1200-1300lbs easy when I last measured it with a tongue scale. I wouldn't be surprised if you hit or go a little over 1000 honestly, looks like your trailer may hold 76 gallons of fresh water.

Another thing to keep in mind if your going to tow with waste water in the rear of the trailer, you may want to load the front a little heavier to ensure your keeping 10%, probably better 12-14% tongue weight as the waste tanks are likely in the rear and will lighten your load. If you get too back heavy, it wont tow right.

In my honest opinion, best advice anyone can give, go to the scales with your normal load at least in the trailer if not in the TV too, and get your numbers. https://www.jaycoowners.com/showthrea...igh-Your-tt-tv is a great overview how to do it, cost me $14, $10 for the first weigh, $2 for each reweigh. You may have to go pay after the first weigh, so ask before you pull back on, and don't forget to take some wheel chocks along so you can measure unloaded.
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Old 05-18-2016, 09:09 PM   #56
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Well, I am at 960 tongue weight (from scale results of truck axles without weight distribution, minus weight of the truck) but according to Jayco's specs I should be at 765, same as your 620 which matches the 2016 specs. You might be surprised how much "stuff" in the trailer can add. If your going to tow with water in the tanks, it really depends where your tanks are as to how much it will affect your weight, mine full of fresh water is 1200-1300lbs easy when I last measured it with a tongue scale. I wouldn't be surprised if you hit or go a little over 1000 honestly, looks like your trailer may hold 76 gallons of fresh water.

Another thing to keep in mind if your going to tow with waste water in the rear of the trailer, you may want to load the front a little heavier to ensure your keeping 10%, probably better 12-14% tongue weight as the waste tanks are likely in the rear and will lighten your load. If you get too back heavy, it wont tow right.

In my honest opinion, best advice anyone can give, go to the scales with your normal load at least in the trailer if not in the TV too, and get your numbers. https://www.jaycoowners.com/showthrea...igh-Your-tt-tv is a great overview how to do it, cost me $14, $10 for the first weigh, $2 for each reweigh. You may have to go pay after the first weigh, so ask before you pull back on, and don't forget to take some wheel chocks along so you can measure unloaded.
Thanks for the info, makes sense now. I do have the oversized freshwater tanks. Not sure where they are mounted. I'm thinking near the rear. Definitely have some research to do and find scales near me.

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Thanks for the info, makes sense now. I do have the oversized freshwater tanks. Not sure where they are mounted. I'm thinking near the rear. Definitely have some research to do and find scales near me.

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Any time, glad to be able to share some info.

Your freshwater tanks are likely pretty near where the fill is on the camper, and there will be probably 2 small white overflow hoses sticking down towards the ground underneath the trailer that will start to drain water when you get the tanks full. Mine are roughly half way between between the trailer axles and the tongue (aka tongue weight), all of the waste water tanks are behind the axle and should be pretty apparent where they are by where the drain valves are.
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With 1.5-2" of rise on the front axle WITH WDH engaged, you're not distributing enough weight. What was the rise on the front axle coupled WITHOUT WDH engaged? I would say add at least one washer and see where you're at. 1/2" to 3/4", probably okay, but more than 1" and I'd be making some adjustments before I bother to find a scale.

Also, how much effort does it take to hang the spring bars? If after you couple the trailer to the truck, if you can easily swing the bars onto the hangers, they're not doing anything (no weight distribution). You will typically need to use the tongue jack to raise the trailer and truck so the bars can be placed on the hangers, or have to use the "cheater" bar, or both.

Good advice on adjusting the spring bar hangers; you really want to use that for "on the fly" adjustments.

Also good advice on locating and considering your water tanks. Mine are right over the front axle of the trailer. Well, actually, I have 2 plumbed together (that's how they get 80 gallons of fresh water capacity); the aft tank is above the front axle, the fore tank is in front of the axle. So I don't get a lot of tongue weight when I add water. My waste tanks are WAY behind the axles, almost all the way to the rear of the coach. So full waste tanks translates to lots of negative tongue weight (but I never tow with them full).

Just for comparison on tongue weight: the book spec on my "unloaded tongue weight" is like 620 lbs. My last measured tongue weight was 960 (I've added a lot since then, but have not re-measured). Lesson: brochure tongue weight means nothing. It does not include batteries, propane, or anything loaded in the trailer. For WDH purposes, tongue weight is also supposed to consider anything loaded in the truck behind the rear axle (per the manual).

When I go to set up my new hitch, I'm going to be looking for AT LEAST 13% tongue weight, 14 or even 15 I think will be ideal. My trailer is LONG, so I want to be on the upper end of the tongue weight range. Plus, the way these integrated sway systems work, the more tension I have on those bars, the more friction sway control I get.
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With 1.5-2" of rise on the front axle WITH WDH engaged, you're not distributing enough weight. What was the rise on the front axle coupled WITHOUT WDH engaged? I would say add at least one washer and see where you're at. 1/2" to 3/4", probably okay, but more than 1" and I'd be making some adjustments before I bother to find a scale.

Also, how much effort does it take to hang the spring bars? If after you couple the trailer to the truck, if you can easily swing the bars onto the hangers, they're not doing anything (no weight distribution). You will typically need to use the tongue jack to raise the trailer and truck so the bars can be placed on the hangers, or have to use the "cheater" bar, or both.

Good advice on adjusting the spring bar hangers; you really want to use that for "on the fly" adjustments.

Also good advice on locating and considering your water tanks. Mine are right over the front axle of the trailer. Well, actually, I have 2 plumbed together (that's how they get 80 gallons of fresh water capacity); the aft tank is above the front axle, the fore tank is in front of the axle. So I don't get a lot of tongue weight when I add water. My waste tanks are WAY behind the axles, almost all the way to the rear of the coach. So full waste tanks translates to lots of negative tongue weight (but I never tow with them full).

Just for comparison on tongue weight: the book spec on my "unloaded tongue weight" is like 620 lbs. My last measured tongue weight was 960 (I've added a lot since then, but have not re-measured). Lesson: brochure tongue weight means nothing. It does not include batteries, propane, or anything loaded in the trailer. For WDH purposes, tongue weight is also supposed to consider anything loaded in the truck behind the rear axle (per the manual).

When I go to set up my new hitch, I'm going to be looking for AT LEAST 13% tongue weight, 14 or even 15 I think will be ideal. My trailer is LONG, so I want to be on the upper end of the tongue weight range. Plus, the way these integrated sway systems work, the more tension I have on those bars, the more friction sway control I get.
I did not take the measurement yet with the WDH not engaged. Only engaged, and then not hooked up are the measurements I have.

Good tips on the bars, right now I have to raise the tongue a little but not much to engage the bars. I can place them up on the brackets by hand without the tool.

From where my fill point and low drain lines are it appears my tanks are at the same location as yours ( I also have 80 gallons). My waste tank is also at the very rear of the trailer. I am about to call to see about the size of the washers or if they can send me some. How many washers did you say you have installed?
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Are you using the TT tongue jack to set the spring bars on the hangers? With that heavy of a TW you should have to jack the tongue up about 4-5" before the spring bars will set on the L brackets. You should still have to use the tool provided. When I had my EQ and TT with 900-950lb TW I had to jack up the tongue pretty high to be able to set the spring bars. I also ran 6 washers.
You really only need one fender measurements unless you have a Ford. GM and Ram are similar. Measure the front fender unloaded. It doesn't matter how high it gets with the TT coupled and no WD engaged. You still need to return it to the unloaded height or real close.


With all that being said I had a SOB TT that I could never get the push pull jerk out of it. It was just what it was. I used 3 different WDs and even tried it without. Nothing changed the towing. Some TTs IMO are just poorly designed. That's why some guys will say theirs tow great and some hate theirs. That's also why some changes to the WD work for some and not for others.
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