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Old 08-24-2015, 11:45 PM   #1
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battery issue on 3rd outing

So I have a 2006 f150 that was set up for a 5th wheel.
it has a factory tow package as well. I state this to help illustrate that I don't thing it is the TV at fault, but could be wrong.

got a new 154BH Baja. have taken it out 4 times this year (Spent several weekends building a pad for it)

1st time, spent a weekend hooked up to power. NO issues
2nd outing about a month later weekend hooked to power. No issues
3rd outing 3 days dry camping. No issues
4th outing about a 2 weeks later, 4 days dry camping big issue.

Upon arrival levels of every thing: Full Water, Empty grey and Black and Full Battery. the Next morning CO2 detector beeping.

I was sure it was some sort of warning due o the dog's bed being close, but that wasn't the case it was due to the battery being completely dead.

Prior to leaving the trailer had been plugged in for almost a week. Very little usage of electrical the first (and as you will see none the following nights)

Buddy had a genny and charged for a few hours and it read full charge on panel. A few hours later 50% and about an hour later CO2 beeping again.

Opened Battery cover and saw it black and stained, First thought was water seepage into Battery box, but popped the caps and saw the cells bone dry. Conclusion- Boil Over. Figuring the battery was already damaged, I topped off with some bottled water (Only do if absolutely needed and expect to replace battery if you use anything other than distilled). Ran on genny another hour or two and steam was coming out the battery and it was nice and toasty .

So now the million dollar Question: Why?

The dealership states that they can not see me for over a month.
I am tempted to chalk it up to a defective battery, but figured it should have reared its ugly head the first dry trip.

Checking voltage when plugged in to Shore power is about 14v with battery disconnected.
( I really need to get a new meter).

So a few questions:
Can the converter be the cause? are there any ways to check? Can anyone explain : Absorption 13.6V DC (includes charging and load); Bulk 14.4V DC; Float 13.2V DC ? Isn't Amperage a factor? 13V at 1 amp is drastically different at 2 amps? any idea what wattage / Amperage I should see at the battery while being charged? I assume the Amperage would change as the battery charge "fills up" to the mA level on a fully charged battery.

Can my vehicle be the blame? I haven't checked voltages, but I did connect to it, started the engine and ran the water pump and lights for 15 minutes so the wife and kids could get ready get ready, there did not seem to be any issue with that.

If I decide to go with a two (or more) battery system, any charging issues I need to be aware of (other than time to charge)? Could this set up be for a two battery system and cooking a 1 battery setup?
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Old 08-25-2015, 07:13 AM   #2
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My guess is that you have shorted battery. I would pull that battery and have it checked. Replace your battery and watch your converters progression with a good volt meter. Amperage doesn't become a factor until you have pulled a great deal out of your batteries. When your voltage in your batteries has been reduced to a lower voltage ,say 12.2 volts. Your converter then will use that amperage to charge your battery at a faster rate. As that battery gets closer to full, amperage becomes less of a factor because it takes higher voltage to continue filling that battery. Its possible that your converter is malfunctioning but I doubt that it is the issue. Battery malfunction would be where I'd start. Batteries would be set up in parallel. That would have nothing to do with how many batteries you are charging. You can charge one or multiple batteries, the charging system handles them all the same.Your TV would not be the problem!!
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X2 on the shorted cell. If the battery is still under warranty a dealer in your area that sells that brand can check it out, and warranty it, quicker than waiting for your RV dealer to get you in. There may be a pro-rate on it, depending on its age of service. Hot and steaming battery is dangerous. The vapors are explosive hydrogen. If the battery checks out OK, then the trip to your dealer is in order.
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X3 on the battery. I would almost bet a dead short in the battery. That's about the only thing that would cause the battery to become that hot when not plugged into shore power. You aren't charging the battery, you are discharging it, and the short is doing it at a dangerously accelerated rate.
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Simple Response here. Wet batteries boil dry when plugged in.........if a wet battery is on shore power they boil dry. Short out yes, stop storing yes. Go AGM batteries, dual them and you got power! You can leave it on shore power and no problem. They cost more but replacing wet batteries due to boil over is a waste of time and money,
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Simple Response here. Wet batteries boil dry when plugged in.........if a wet battery is on shore power they boil dry. Short out yes, stop storing yes. Go AGM batteries, dual them and you got power! You can leave it on shore power and no problem. They cost more but replacing wet batteries due to boil over is a waste of time and money,
I have nothing against AGM batteries but this is a bit over the top.!! This situation has nothing to do with the type of battery being used. Stay on the subject..
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Simple Response here. Wet batteries boil dry when plugged in.........if a wet battery is on shore power they boil dry. Short out yes, stop storing yes. Go AGM batteries, dual them and you got power! You can leave it on shore power and no problem. They cost more but replacing wet batteries due to boil over is a waste of time and money,
With the battery charge controllers that are standard in TT's/RV's there is not much of a chance to boil over a PROPERLY MAINTAINED battery that is not at the end of its life, unless the charge controller is defective, then either battery will die. Unless you have to install them in a closed area there is no need to pay the extra money for an AGM battery.

I would check the mfr date on the battery to see if you may have an old battery installed by the dealer.

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I have nothing against AGM batteries but this is a bit over the top.!! This situation has nothing to do with the type of battery being used. Stay on the subject..
I retired from The largest Jayco dealer in country, this is a common problem I have encountered. Dealers put the cheapest wet cell battery they can find on new units. That being said why the "stay on subject", the subject is he toasted his battery by shore power. The whole situation is type of battery he is using! Don't leave wet cell batteries plug in to shore without adding distilled water frequently, that is on "subject". AGM is a Glass Mat an sealed battery that provides more reserve power
Charge controllers do not prevent boil over, that is a fallacy that RV owners believe. We get customers constantly that have battery issues, 99% of time the batteries are dry? If you believe that you charge controller are perfect why do dealers sell more batteries than one ply toilet paper!

Properly maintained wet cell battery is the issue. if you are married to maintain wet cells so be it! I am not, I have 6 too maintain.
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If you read the first part of the thread, it says that it is a new trailer that has been hooked up very little to shore power. You having retired from the largest Jayco dealer in the country, would know that the most likely scenario would be a shorted battery which can happen in any battery line. No doubt AGM batteries should be a better product over all. You pay dearly for it. I had wet cell batteries that were 3 years old and had never needed water added to them. They stay hooked up to shore power constantly. The old converters definitely required battery maintenance often because they put out constant voltage that which would over time cook a battery. The new progressive smart chargers drastically reduce the need for adding water. I will still say that this gentleman's problem doesn't have a thing to do with what type of battery he buys!!
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If you read the first part of the thread, it says that it is a new trailer that has been hooked up very little to shore power.
Actually, in the beginning of his statement, he says his 1st, 2nd, and 3rd outings were hooked up to power. He didn't discover the battery problem until the 4th outing.

No matter, it all sounds like a bad battery to me. New trailer, unlikely it is the converter/charge/controller system. Admits the battery was dry.

Whether it boiled over, and dried up, or it was a bad battery, or it somehow shorted; doesn't matter. Can't begin to track down and fix the problem until he gets a new battery.

Replace battery, AGM, wet cell, two 6 volts, your choice. Get new battery, pay attention to maintenance and see if you have more problems.
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