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Old 04-27-2015, 09:28 AM   #11
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OK, I'm going to post my reply from last night, but without the links so that it actually gets posted.

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The math is not in your favor to pull that trailer. You will be way over pay load and total weight allowed.

here is a link that will help you:
Thanks for the link -- that's very helpful.

Using the calculator, I entered the following:

TV GVWR: 6280
TV GCWR: 12000
TV Max trailer WR: 7020
TV Max Tongue: 740
TV RGAWR: 3400
TV GVW: 4717 curb, but entered 5500 here
Trailer GVW: 5500 estimated
Trailer Tongue Weight: 700 estimated

Safety Margin: 10
Trailer TW percentage: 13

Running this, got answers of:

Max Trailer Wt: 5692 lb
Max TW with margin: 5123 lb
Max Tongue Wt: 740
Max Tongue Wt with margin: 666

It's close, but the max weights still appear to be within the vehicle's limits. Even at max tongue weight, I'd still have enough payload for passengers, but nothing else (which is OK with me).

So, it seems I have a range of 698-1267 lbs for trailer cargo. It seems from other threads on here that even 1000 lbs of cargo is high, so I would think I'd be fine. Realistically, if tongue weight ends up being around 700lbs at 13% (960 lbs of trailer cargo), I'd be somewhere around 5% under limits.

So, unless I'm missing something, if I closely monitor tongue weight and trailer cargo weight, and don't put anything in the Mountaineer other than passengers, I should be OK, right?
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Old 04-27-2015, 10:10 AM   #12
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Not sure what the tongue weight will be with added items in front storage, but will not add more then 75lbs while towing for stuff I pack, unsure what wife will put under bed though!! Also I doubt will have more then 250lbs cargo total in trailer that is unless I go dry camping and carry fresh water tank full (will do about 2/3 of the time). In the truck bed I often carry about 100lbs of fire wood (where allowed - lots of restructions now in place, so this is an iffy item), otherwise not much carried in truck bed.



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Old 04-27-2015, 10:18 AM   #13
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I just realized that there's a towing and tow vehicle forum. I guess I should have posted this there.
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Old 04-27-2015, 11:24 AM   #14
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So, Benman - give it a try and see how it tows. Ideally, your tow vehicle and Trailer should be level to each other.


Several JOF members have take this approach, and decided to upgrade tow vehicle after testing it out. Other, have been fine.


The GVWR ratings are there to warn you about issues with Braking, Engine & Tranny performance and Axel damage potentials.
Just keep you own safety and the safety of your passengers in mind
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Old 04-27-2015, 11:32 AM   #15
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So, Benman - give it a try and see how it tows. Ideally, your tow vehicle and Trailer should be level to each other.

Several JOF members have take this approach, and decided to upgrade tow vehicle after testing it out. Other, have been fine.
Right, but a new vehicle isn't really in the budget . I was originally planning to buy something lighter (and used, so cheaper too) but this new one ends up being only a few thousand more than a 2007 Jayco Jay Feather X23B I saw on craigslist.
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Old 04-28-2015, 11:50 PM   #16
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You're in a similar situation to ours with the same trailer. When I did the online calculator, using 15-20% margins, I came up with a max cargo capacity of 900 lbs. I was assured by the dealer tech folks that most people average 400-500 lbs of cargo, with 750 being on the extreme side. We have a mid size SUV (2002 Olds Bravada) which is similar to yours, I believe.

Here are some further points to keep in mind:
None of this applies if you're hauling with full tanks...you will easily exceed your limits in that case. Also, some vehicles have option for transmission more suited to heavy hauling which raises towing capacity considerably (alas, mine doesn't have that transmission in it). Even though you appear be within your towing limits does not mean your vehicle will perform as it usually does, so be wary of hills...you will want to save that trip to the Rockies for when you have a pickup. Do not tow in "D" with overdrive; use next gear after that or your transmission gets too hot. Finally, I recommend you have dealer install the electric brake controller, and get one with digital readout so you can monitor braking action.


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Old 04-29-2015, 07:05 AM   #17
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Thanks for sharing the experience with the Bravada. The Mountaineer has about 1000 lbs more capacity than the Bravada, so if your experience has been good, I feel a lot more comfortable about the setup, especially if you have the 3.73 axle ratio.


I'll definitely turn off OD. I have a six speed, so OD-off locks out both 5th and 6th gears.


I'm planning to get a Tekonsha P3. It is plug and play in my vehicle (harness already installed with toe package) so I'm definitely going to install it myself.


If you don't mind my asking, do you know what your tongue weight is generally? Also, what WD hitch do you use? Do you experience a lot of sway with your setup?
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Old 04-29-2015, 07:55 AM   #18
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" I was assured by the dealer tech folks that most people average 400-500 lbs of cargo, with 750 being on the extreme side."

TDK this might be true if you dont count propane, battery, WDH and all the add ons from factory but if the weights you are going on are the dry weights the factory gives you 750lbs of cargo is not much at all!

Benman have you ever gone to a scale with you and the TV full of fuel and seen that weight?
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I don't own the trailer yet.
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Just the tow vehicle weight is what I'm wondering.
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