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Old 06-12-2017, 05:59 AM   #1
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First post, read lots of great information of the forum, much of it post purchase of both the TV and TT. I was inspired to take a trip to the scales to see what all the weights were. Any input you can provide would be appreciated.

Full tank of gas 4 people, dog, and packed for camping including firewood.

Sequoia & Camper with Blue Ox on 8th link
Steer Axle 3,140
Drive Axle 4,200
Trailer Axle 5,545
Gross Weight 12,885

Sequoia & Camper WDH disengaged and bars in SUV
Steer Axle 2,720
Drive Axle 4,740
Trailer Axle 5,405
Gross Weight 12,865

Sequoia Only
Steer Axle 3,200
Drive Axle 3,420
Gross Weight 6,620

Sequoia Sticker:
GVWR 7,300
GAWR FRT 4,000
GAWR RR 4,280

I think i can shed a little weight in the camper but the numbers are better than i expected (over GVWR by 40 lbs). The tongue weight seems in range and I'm not sure how I would increase it, the front storage is full, the rear storage is practically empty and we travel with all tanks empty.

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Old 06-12-2017, 07:13 AM   #2
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Tongue Weight
(2720+4740) - (3200+3420) = 840

(840/6245) * 100 = 13.4% ....You might try moving some weight (50 lbs) from front storage to rear storage. Target 750 or ~12.9%

Steering axle w/WDH = 3140 - Steering axle w/o TT 3200 = 60 diff (pretty good.)

GVWR for TV over by 40 as you mention 7340-7300 = 40

I assume you're under GVWR for TT and Combined GVWR for TV

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Welcome and congrats on the new rig!!!

I got 840lbs for your tw, but the total loaded tt is 6245lbs or 6265lbs depending on which truck/tt total you use.

840/6245= 13.45%. So I would suggest leaving the rig packed as it is. Also know you have a little left to carry fresh water when needed, if the tank is in front of the axles. Even adding 10g or so for stops along the way could add to the tw (depending on tank location!).

If the firewood was in the back of the tv, look at getting a couple decent size Rubbermaid tubs and loading them in the camper. Place one over the tt axles if possible, then one in front of it to help maintain the proper tw. Depending on how much firewood you had (if in the tv), that could get you under the gvwr of it. The tubs can help the firewood stay dry also!!!

As Doug mentioned looks like the wdh is adjusted pretty darn close. Only if the combo doesn't feel that stable driving down the road would I suggest trying to readjust it.
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Welcome and congrats on the new rig!!!

I got 840lbs for your tw, but the total loaded tt is 6245lbs or 6265lbs depending on which truck/tt total you use.

840/6245= 13.45%. So I would suggest leaving the rig packed as it is. Also know you have a little left to carry fresh water when needed, if the tank is in front of the axles. Even adding 10g or so for stops along the way could add to the tw (depending on tank location!).

If the firewood was in the back of the tv, look at getting a couple decent size Rubbermaid tubs and loading them in the camper. Place one over the tt axles if possible, then one in front of it to help maintain the proper tw. Depending on how much firewood you had (if in the tv), that could get you under the gvwr of it. The tubs can help the firewood stay dry also!!!

As Doug mentioned looks like the wdh is adjusted pretty darn close. Only if the combo doesn't feel that stable driving down the road would I suggest trying to readjust it.
Thanks for catching that TT weight.
I edited my numbers to the corrected value.
Looks like a smaller weight move to the rear to target ~750lbs if warranted.
That would move TW closer to 12%

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My 2008 Toyota Sequoia suggested TW with WDH to be 9% to 11% of trailer. However if your setup ride nice there wouldn't be any need to change anything.
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My 2008 Toyota Sequoia suggested TW with WDH to be 9% to 11% of trailer. However if your setup ride nice there wouldn't be any need to change anything.
I just checked and my 2015 manual says the same thing. I will probably adjust slightly but non down to these levels.
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The gross trailer weight should be distributed so that the tongue weight is 9% to 11%. (Tongue weight /Gross trailer weight x 100 = 9% to 11%)
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I just checked and my 2015 manual says the same thing. I will probably adjust slightly but non down to these levels.
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The gross trailer weight should be distributed so that the tongue weight is 9% to 11%. (Tongue weight /Gross trailer weight x 100 = 9% to 11%)
Definitely don't want to drop down that low. An open car/utility trailer is generally happy with ~10% tw, but it is highly suggested a high walled, rolling brick tt needs 12-15% to prevent sway. It would be nice if the manufactures stated things like that for open trailer, and the recommended tw range for a tt.

Obviously the ideal tw percentage will vary some from model to model, but most tt's seem very happy in the 12-15%.

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My 28BHBE TW from the factory is around 10% and my TV suggested 9 to 11% TW. I don't see the need to make TW 12 to 15%. I think it is beneficial for Pickup truck TV to have 12 to 15% TW because pickup truck are very light on rear axle. But SUV weight is more evenly distributed between front and rear axles so I like to keep it that way. But like I said elsewhere, only make changes if you're having problems or trying to make you setup better.


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Hi,
First post, read lots of great information of the forum, much of it post purchase of both the TV and TT. I was inspired to take a trip to the scales to see what all the weights were. Any input you can provide would be appreciated.

Full tank of gas 4 people, dog, and packed for camping including firewood.

Sequoia & Camper with Blue Ox on 8th link
Steer Axle 3,140
Drive Axle 4,200
Trailer Axle 5,545
Gross Weight 12,885

Sequoia & Camper WDH disengaged and bars in SUV
Steer Axle 2,720
Drive Axle 4,740
Trailer Axle 5,405
Gross Weight 12,865

Sequoia Only
Steer Axle 3,200
Drive Axle 3,420
Gross Weight 6,620

Sequoia Sticker:
GVWR 7,300
GAWR FRT 4,000
GAWR RR 4,280



Thank you!

Here are the numbers on my just as a reference.

Sequoia with 2 Adults, 4 kids and 45lbs dog
Front axle: 3340
Rear axle: 3600

TV + TT WDH disengaged:
Front axle: 2949
Rear axle: 4891
TT axle: 6760

TT gross: 7660
TW: 900
11%

TV+TT WDH engaged:
Front axle: 3480
Rear axle: 4160
TT axle: 6960

TT gross: 7660
TW: 700
9.1%

I consider putting more tension on the bar to put more weight on front axle. The whole setup is level. Front fender is down 1/4" and rear fender is down 1/2 from stock. I will be adding 300 to 400 lbs bikes/kayaks hitch on the back of the trailer and will have to find ways to add same amount to front of trailer. This setup works for me with no sway or bouncing expect when on concrete highway.
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Here are the numbers on my just as a reference.
Thanks for the comparison numbers!
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