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Old 04-03-2016, 09:15 AM   #11
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PAYLOAD is the determining number.
The payload should include the trailer tongue weight, the weight of the WDH, the propane and battery, all the stuff you bring with you in the truck, sometimes it includes the people and the fuel in the truck as well.

For the 28BHBE being pulled by a 1/2 ton truck, it has been discussed on this forum many times in the past (do a search). You will probably be over the truck payload and or rear axle rating. If not you will be a few, and I mean a few pounds under a 1/2 ton truck payload with that trailer. Ideally you want to be under payload by 20%-30%. Not maxed out. Basically if you have to ask can my truck tow this, the answer is probably no.

Now you will get responses from people who tow the same trailer with the same truck telling you it tows great, no problem. There was even a guy on here who swears his X5 BMW is a wonderful tow vehicle for the 28BHBE! For me (I have a very similar trailer) if anything happened to my family due to my ignorance of my trucks tow capacity, I couldn't live with the guilt knowing I ignored the limits of my truck.

Anyway, good luck
Thank you for your reply, I have the following numbers but I am not sure how to do the math.
GCWR 15000lb
Combined weight and cargo 1507lb
GVWR 7000lb
GAWR FR 3950lb
GAWR Rear 3950lb
Axe ratio 3.42

Equalizer system

Did I missed a number and can someone can show me how to do the math. Thank you
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Old 04-03-2016, 09:21 AM   #12
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well those are factory numbers but everything added to truck is added to combined weight and cargo capacity ... people on board, weight distributing hitch weight, fuel in truck, stuff loaded in bed of truck, topper weight if you have one so you can see it adds up pretty quickly then you have to added loaded tongue weight of trailer
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Old 04-03-2016, 09:24 AM   #13
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The gvwr on the truck is weight of truck and added cargo weight what does it weigh loaded .... the gcwr is the combined truck and camper weight loaded so even though your gcwr might be fine your gvwr might be pushing it
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Old 04-03-2016, 09:42 AM   #14
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The number you are going to have a hard time with is you GVWR and maybe GAWR. To know what you actually have for payload you have to weight the truck. It's kinda like the posted tongue weight for trailers in that it's a deceiving number. Fill your truck full of gas and go to the scales. Then you'll know how much you can add to your vehicle and stay below numbers.
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When it comes to towing trailers people concentrate so much on weights and capabilities and capacities of their TVs versus the TT's. This information should be the first consideration and is important. However, many people forget lengths as a factor. Wheel base, TV rear wheel to TT wheels, to overall length.
There are instances where weights are well within specifications and trailer load is spread well, but the towing is still unsafe or "white knuckled" at best because the TT is simply too long for the set up.
It is an inarguable point for example, that given even a well equipped 1/2 ton TV towing a trailer and having a cargo load that is (give or take) 500 lbs under the maximum specifications and comfortably within the tongue weights; a trailer length of 27 feet will not have the tendency and be affected by sway like a trailer length of 32 feet will be (don't think the lengths are so close they won't make much of a difference; each additional 6 inches of trailer length changes the relative distance position of the trailer axles and the amount of trailer hanging out there behind the TT axles). Likewise, the two different lengths will also cause a reaction to the TV (the tail wags the dog effect). Whereas, using an identical trailer and load set up with a 3/4 ton, in the same circumstances will not have the same rendered effects on the truck or the trailer.
Just something to think about.
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There is no way that 31qbds stayed under weight!! None of the add on's you do change what the truck can legally handle for payload or tow ratings. The number that's posted from factory is the # you have to go with. The add on's can and will change the way your truck handles a heavy load but not what's allowed by law.

canadiankid, my set-up did fit within the truck specifications. I spent several hours at a CAT scale making sure. Also, the Roadmaster system does increase the payload and tongue weight similar to adding a leaf spring except the Roadmaster system also helps with sway. I didn't say anything about an increase in towing capacity and I specifically said it does nothing to increase the capacity of the rear axle. Can we stick to our own experiences and opinions?

protege-five, I agree with the others that you need to figure out the total weight of your truck at a CAT scale with everything you would typically carry on a trip. You then have the dry sticker weight of the trailer from the dealer and I have read (and agree based on my experience) adding 1,000 lbs for gear in the trailer is a reasonable estimation of what will be in it. Using a WDH, I believe you will be able to reasonably distribute the trailer weight on both axles. Compare those numbers against the various capacities of your truck to know if your vehicle can handle it.

NVGun40 makes very good points about being within capacities, versus how the trailer pulls and our comfort level pulling trailers of various lengths and weights. That is really a personal preference and decision and something to think about. We decided that for the max of 8 trips per year we take with the camper (1 long trip, most short local trips), we would pay attention to the weather, travel in off-peak hours, take our time, etc. and go with the 1500 versus spending more on a 2500 and having way more truck that needed as a daily driver the rest of the year. I am also very comfortable towing trailers in all conditions. These are all things to think about before making a decision. Good luck.
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I'm sorry Christopher, didn't mean to upset you. Was half asleep still when I wrote that. What I should have said was I'd be very surprised if a 31 QBDS could stay within specs of a 1500. I'd love to hear what your numbers are cause with a tongue weight of over 1000lbs you must be doing something different then I was!

But nothing you do changes the trucks payload. Your truck says it can weight 7200lbs, that's what your truck can weight. I'm sure it helps the ride but it doesn't make it legal to be heavier.
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Sorry for the confusion, our new choice for our TT might be the Jayflight 28BHBE. (Elite Package-one a/c unit-...) Thank you even if we really like the floor plan of almost every floor plans from Jayco, our choice is still the 28BHBE. Thank you again
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Protege, I would not want to sway you in any other direction than a Jayco. You get what you are comfortable with. If you search around and pay attention, you will notice, the manufacturer doesn't matter. Other than cosmetic differences and perhaps a minor cupboard or pantry placement, they all have the same floor plans. Go to Keystone, Forest River, Pacific Coachworks, Coachmen, etc. they all have the same basic floor plans across the board. Even all the appliances are the same (Atwood, Dometic, Norcold, etc.). The differences are primarily is weights, trim packages, accessories.
I am partial to the Jayco lineup, mainly, and perhaps I have just been lucky, because they have taken really good care of me.
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Protege..... I think as long as you get a good hitch/sway control and have it set up you PROPERLY, will be fine ! If you want to drop a few pounds go with the 28BHBE aluminum sided. IMHO I think you will have less maintenance upkeep with the extruded sides vs the flat fiberglass walls and maybe a little stronger.
I tow our 28 BHBE with '11 Ram Hemi 1500 5.7l and have no issues. For my personal satisfaction I have upgraded my shocks and changed my tires from passenger rated to E-rated Michelins and have noticed the difference just in daily driving. I'm sure their are self proclaimed experts on this forum that say the numbers are way too close and this and that..... next time your driving down the road take a look at some of these commercial dumptrucks and log haulers tires and tell me how bad they're squating .....
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