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Old 09-12-2015, 09:41 AM   #1
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Delivery/First Pull and set up

We took delivery of our 2015 Jay Flight 26BH yesterday. Tow vehicle is a 2015 Ford Explorer Sport with 3.5 TT EcoBoost and Tow package. We are using a Husky Round Bar WDH with the friction type sway controler, and P3 brake controller. Picked up at Lone Star RV in Houston, and drove about 20 miles north to Conroe.
It loaded nicely, and I was impressed with the power of my TV. About 5 miles in, I felt a few wiggles. I've never used a WDH or Sway controller before, and I've never pulled a TT, so I wasn't completely sure what to expect. Maybe I was just being hyper-sensitive, but I pulled off and tightened the sway bar a bit, and that seemed to help. I actually had to watch my speed to stay under 70mph. Once in town the sway bar popped and creaked a good bit. Oh, and I need some mirror BADLY..haha. All in all, I was pleasantly surprised at the job the little Explorer did with a trailer that size and I averaged about 11.5 mpg.
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1. Will running the sway bar a little tight damage anything, or just be noisy?
2. When setting up I leveled with the tongue jack fwd/back. But when I put any significant weight on the stabilizers, I lost weight on the tongue jack. Any recommendations?
3. I leveled using the sheet metal seems, and the frame. They were not completely the same and the fridge kinda split the difference. What point of reference do you guys use?
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Old 09-12-2015, 09:57 AM   #2
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Your Sway Bar, most likely, was not the one making much of the creaking noise. That comes from the WD bars and the shifting of the trailer axles in turns. Running with your sway bar a little tight should not be any issue out on the open road. When you start getting into town and taking 90 degree turns, you should loosen it. Also, DO NOT back up with the sway bar on; it could cause damage.
When you put significant weight on the stabilizers it will take weight off the tongue jack. You shouldn't be putting that much weight on the stabilizers. Snug them down to keep the TT from rocking that's it.

I have always leveled my TT's using a traditional level in the middle of the floor close to the front of the refrigerator. Front to back, side to side and diagonals. Once I had it completely level and stabilized, I installed RV level bubbles on the front of the TT where I can view it in my TV's side view mirror for the side to side level reading, and then on the front drivers side corner of the TT for the front to back reading.
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Ok, that makes sense. I notice grease zerks on the the head, maybe a shot of grease wouldn't hurt. Got the back info, but thanks for the tip.

The stabilizers are the scissor style, and I've used similar jack to lift a car. I was told they were leveling jacks, and they could carry weight, as long as I wasn't lifting the axles off the ground. I was also told I wouldn't need leveling block unless the ground was really off, b/c the jacks could be used to level. SO, is there a difference between leveling jacks and stabilizers?

I like the level idea. Thanks.
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Old 09-12-2015, 10:11 AM   #4
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I do have to be blunt on this. What are the tow specs on your TV? (GVWR, axle loads, etc.) What are the specs on your TT? I bring this up, because it seems like you may be very close to maximum for your TV, even with a tow package. Something else to be careful of is wheel base lengths.
I say this because you may experience sway/wiggle due to a "tail wagging the dog" effect. Just be careful and be patient.
Also note, trailer tires are usually rated for safe travel at 65MPH max. 5 miles per hour may not seem like a big deal but it can be very big deal. Even with my very capable rig towing my TT, I rarely exceed 62 to 63 MPH, and I hold a steady 13 to 14.5 MPG on a 3/4 ton truck.
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Ok, that makes sense. I notice grease zerks on the the head, maybe a shot of grease wouldn't hurt. Got the back info, but thanks for the tip.

The stabilizers are the scissor style, and I've used similar jack to lift a car. I was told they were leveling jacks, and they could carry weight, as long as I wasn't lifting the axles off the ground. I was also told I wouldn't need leveling block unless the ground was really off, b/c the jacks could be used to level. SO, is there a difference between leveling jacks and stabilizers?

I like the level idea. Thanks.
I wouldn't be too sure that using your stabilizers to level is a great idea. I honestly don't know about your trailer model but my past experiences with TT has been that they are stabilizers, not jacks, and will not take the weight for leveling. I would suggest you double check that before you cause any damage.
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Leveling jacks versus stabilizers.... not really any difference just wording. Scissor style is good. C style, I am not a fan of. A lot of people use leveling blocks regardless, because fully extended scissor jacks can flex a lot. While they can take the weight, it doesn't mean you have to put the weight on them. leveling and stabilizing in the campground should be a combination of weight and stabilization between the jacks and the tongue jack, and the axles. You will get used to it. Have fun and find what is comfortable for you and your family. Remember it's a trailer, not a house, it has comforts but will never be as solid as a house. It's meant to be portable so there has to be give and take there.
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You should always attempt to get the TT as level as possible while it is sitting on its wheels. This may mean backing into a space and checking side to side level and then pulling forward and placing boards or leveling blocks under one side. There are threads throughout these forums with great advice and even links to charts and information on ratio's (a 2 inch block under one tire on one side raises the TT 1 inch on that side, etc.).
Then when you unhitch, get the TT front to rear level using the tongue jack, and once set, snug every thing down with the stabilizers to reduce the rocking.
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I only heard of leveling jacks on high end units and they were either electricor hydraulic. When I get to my site,,I level side to side using lynx levelers, I remove the wd system, unhitch from the ball, level front to back using the tongue jack, chock my wheels, remove my chains, extend my slides, hook up electric, water, sewer and cable. Only then do I lower my stabilizer jacks, this way I have given the tires some time to cool down. I also try to never lower the stabilizers more than 5-6" by using lynx levelers under them. After an hour or so I double check the stabilizers to ensure they are not overly extended.
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Not to rain on your setup but you have too much trailer for your explorer. Max tow rating is 5000 lbs and the trailer is 4700 dry and max tongue weight is 500 and the trailer is 475. Not having a solid rear axle for your tow vehicle just aren't made for towing. An F150 would be much more suitable for the job.

Leveling trailer should be done be leveling it side to side with something under the tires and then front to back using the tongue jack. Then when everything is level you drop your jacks on all 4 corners to stabilize the trailer. Use the x chokes between the wheels to minimize movement in the trailer.
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Not to rain on your setup but you have too much trailer for your explorer. Max tow rating is 5000 lbs and the trailer is 4700 dry and max tongue weight is 500 and the trailer is 475. Not having a solid rear axle for your tow vehicle just aren't made for towing. An F150 would be much more suitable for the job.

x2 - kind of what I was eluding to. I am sure you are thinking everything looked good on paper and the dealership probably told you things would be fine, same with the techs. The thinking is these guy sell these things and set them up for a living, they are professionals. There is the rub, "they sell these things for a living." It is becoming more and more common to see smaller vehicles towing trailers which are to much for the vehicle. Especially with these lightweight and ultra light weight trailers.

On these forums I would venture to say the wealth of knowledge regarding towing capacities, practices and procedures and safety amounts to an equivalent of hundreds of years of experience. Ask the hard questions you probably don't want to hear the answers to. Remember, when your trailer is full of water and camping gear it can weigh another 1000 pounds and your tongue weight can climb another 100 to 200 pounds depending on what you have loaded and where it is loaded.
As you stated, you have already towed it with no problems, but you still asked a question about the sway bar and stated you had some wiggle. You also stated a surprise about your speed. I am saying, be careful. If you're not over your TV's weight limits you are right at them. Being right at the limits is not safe, it looks good on paper but in reality....
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