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Old 12-21-2015, 08:25 AM   #21
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Thanks ya all. I AM a newbie to all this-less than 1 year in to my Jayco TT. I've mastered most everything to do w the lifestyle but electrics,volts,batteries n all have always alluded me. I wish the dealership would instruct on this but alas you get the 10 minute run down n out the gate you go. I appreciate this site and all the invaluable advice you spend your precious time to give. I'll try n get myself an education on TT electrics but in the meantime thanks for helping a newbie on the road to semi-pro. We were all newbies once I guess
Not to worry and a dealer could never walk you thru all the variations of trouble and issues you might face with your TT. This forum is the best ever for advice from know it alls and folks who have been there and done that for most every issue.

Experienced a 12V outage last year that affected my TT nav lights and problem was traced to a loose ground in a connection box under the tongue. Simple fix but not all that obvious. Lots of good advice so far, but the best is to do what ever makes it work and gets you on the way home. If you jump power from your TV and things work, the problem is your battery. If not, there is a fault or loose wire somewhere. 1st thing is to check to make sure you have a good ground. Not sure why, but a loose ground means no 12V power. What I'm not sure about is why the ground comes loose so often. For trouble shooting an electrical issue a multi tester is invaluable.

The main thing I hold against a dealer is that they don't demonistrate the manual procedure for retracting a slide or awning as they are a show stopper if you are breaking camp. I am definitely not a know it all when it comes to electrical [and most other things for that matter] but have found that a short hike to get your head clear and suggesting the wife take the dogs [and kids if you have them] somewhere to play will give you a better chance to try to figure out the problem.

What turned out to be your problem??
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Old 12-21-2015, 09:14 AM   #22
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There is more than one way to help somebody. At some point in my past, I seem to remember teaching someone to fish, rather than fishing for somebody, was a good idea.

These days it appears that owners are very motivated to throw fish (ideas) at someone that has an RV problem as the preferred way to do help someone. Not my way, however, as next time they have a problem they are in just as much trouble. And with electricity, you can do more damage messing around not knowing what you are doing and maybe hurt yourself severely as well.

I definitely agree that "there is nothing stopping them (RV owners) in these days and times but their own motivation."

And it seems that because of the lack of RV lemon laws there is not a lot of incentive for RV mfgs to make more reliable products or dealers to step up the repair and maintenance downtimes.

So yes, that is why I'm an advocate of stepping up our skills.

Govt regulations aren't always the way to do things, but sometimes they are. I would be an advocate for a CDL license, as well as a basic operators (electric and propane) license. I also think testing people yearly over 65 should be done (both for visual limitations and mental limitations) to renew their licenses. Yes, I could list other categories of drivers as well.

Yeah, I did plan to leave the forum, some encouraged me to stay, so who knows. I think I'm in the minority when it comes to encouraging and teaching people to become more self-reliant and learn to fish a bit to help them stay on the road more and suffer less problems.

I also advocate regular maintenance which some don't agree with either, who have a don't fix it unless it is broken point of view.

Note: I just inspected a beautiful early 2000's Safari mh that I believe will become a piece of junk soon. The owner is just letting the damage and maintenance problems mount up. Enough money to buy it, but not enough money or willingness to fix what is not absolutely required for his usage.
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Old 12-21-2015, 11:40 AM   #23
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What turned out to be your problem??[/QUOTE]

It was the battery. We camped in Yosemite last month and after a blackout at site the battery was draining really quickly. I knew it was iffy then. Then the drain from full to empty simply(the slide-out stopped 1/2 way. Tested as best I can (we are still on the road). When we get home I will go through every connection but I'm not going to fix what's not broken right now.
Did I chuck away a good battery for a new one. Maybe, but I don't think so.

Again,so great full for this forum. I teach art in my spare time and it's great feeling to share knowledge, and it's great to be on the receiving end too.🙂
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Old 12-21-2015, 12:12 PM   #24
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I don't know but this whole thing smells like a dry battery to me. Did you check for water in the battery?

Also, if you had a VOM and knew how to use it you would be able to get a lot better assistance when asking questions on a forum like this. The battery meter in your Jayco is of no value for voltage tests or for determining the state of charge on your battery.

I consider manufacturer installed battery and tank meters to be just a bunch of colorful blinking lights and only useful for decoration and as a sales gimmick.
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Old 12-21-2015, 08:31 PM   #25
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I checked it out before ileft- distilled water in hand but it was full. I have a vom meter and checked it at the pos/neg connections -all full n good.

I had TT plugged in driveway for a while,and didn't disconnect battery. I thin it showed full charged but discharged so quick cos I damaged iit
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Old 12-21-2015, 08:39 PM   #26
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I checked it out before ileft- distilled water in hand but it was full. I have a vom meter and checked it at the pos/neg connections -all full n good.

I had TT plugged in driveway for a while,and didn't disconnect battery. I thin it showed full charged but discharged so quick cos I damaged iit
I don't think your problems are over. Sounds like you have something draining your battery when it shouldn't be. Be sure to check your 12 volt system entirely when you get home. You will want to check the current draw at the battery.
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Old 12-21-2015, 10:11 PM   #27
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make sure the connections to the battery are tight and clean, those connections are the source of many problems.
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That is exactly what happened to me on my last boondocking trip. We arrived and nothing would work. We hadn't tried to run off batteries in a long time (always plugged into shore) so my fist thought was the battery was shot and now we are stuck. Fortunately I opened up the battery case and discovered that the washboard roads we travelled up on must have loosened the nuts on the battery and with one quick tightening we were back in business with fully charged battery for a full weekend of problem free fun.
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Old 12-22-2015, 08:47 AM   #28
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A good example of why these threads waste a lot of time responding by throwing fish.

In the first post the statement was made that the battery was fully charged, but the problem turned out to be the battery.

I have read posts in other forums where it is stated the owner checked the fuses and later the same checked fuses turned out to be the problem.

And many other examples of same.

Just my opinion, but the best advice would have been to: 1) take the rv to a service technician and have him check it out,

then 2) enter a training program and start learning about how electricity/propane works, the various electric systems, and how batteries work/are maintained/are checked (like load testing) /how to verify their state of charge and not be fooled by a float charge, for example, and 3) then get more tools and learn troubleshooting techniques

OR just stay away from trying to do your own service with bits of partial knowledge that often does more harm than good.

But, certainly my post won't "motivate" anyone but is commonly considered as not helpful and worthy of scorn. So be it.
You are entitled to your own opinion regarding forum suggestions in response to user problems. Most forum members respond to to issues in areas where they have had experience or remember reading about it and its successful fix on the forum.

Of course the best process of problem elimination is a knowledgeable process of elimination that takes the problem through predetermined tests that start (like battery here) and work your way from there (cables, fuses, connections, loads...) through the circuit. Most people did not attend school for electronics or have electronic background, so they look here for HELP. If you look over the history of repair requests for assistance on this forum, there are very few that have not been resolved with the assistance of members on the forum. Given instructions, even the person that has no experience can fix just about anything on the TT. Members know their limits and will take issues beyond their skills to a RV professional.

Granted, when a person says they checked a fuse, odds are it was a visual check and not an electrical check, most responses to that check are to check it electronically... but new members are under a little stress whether it be they are at a CG without a lot of tools and knowledge or their spouse/partner/kids is climbing all over them because the DVR with kids movies doesn't work, or the fridge has been off for 5 hours, or the water is running out of the toilet. Try calling support or a JAYCO service center while at the campground. Most repairs, JAYCO will give you the name of a authorized JAYCO dealer, where we stay it is about 80 miles away.

I personally love it when members give me 10 different things that could be wrong... unbelievable how much "OUT OF THE BOX THINKING" takes place on this forum, and things that may not have been thought about. Of course, I know which ones that I can eliminate through my knowledge of the problem. When you read these various posted ideas, that sticks with individuals that are not had much experience with trouble shooting issues. In the future they will say, Oh... I read that on a forum and I remember they said ...... to check it out or fix it.

I agree that some scan over the initial request posted, but that is a part of every forum.

Most members want to LEARN about their TT's, and welcome the advice posted. Granted, one needs to be cautious regarding some of the suggestions, and I usually will put a warning on my suggestions that may take an individual beyond their skills, where I suggest they contact a professional.

I guess if people do not like the information they receive on forums, or TMI for some to digest, then I would recommend getting online with the TT's mfr support group ( I have had good and bad experiences using them), or just get in line at the local TT repair shop.

I guess I would rather spend an extra hour or two trouble shooting and resolving the problem at home, instead of spending a day taking the TT to a dealer and not getting it back for a week, 2 weeks or a month due to the scheduling back log. I also like the feeling of SUCCESS when I tackle a problem and successfully resolve it, which feels so much better than handing the service center $150 dollars to figure it out.

Just my thoughts,

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You are entitled to your own opinion regarding forum suggestions in response to user problems. Most forum members respond to to issues in areas where they have had experience or remember reading about it and its successful fix on the forum.

Of course the best process of problem elimination is a knowledgeable process of elimination that takes the problem through predetermined tests that start (like battery here) and work your way from there (cables, fuses, connections, loads...) through the circuit. Most people did not attend school for electronics or have electronic background, so they look here for HELP. If you look over the history of repair requests for assistance on this forum, there are very few that have not been resolved with the assistance of members on the forum. Given instructions even the person that has no experience can fix just about anything on the TT. Members know their limits and will take issues beyond their skills to a RV professional.

Granted, when a person says they checked a fuse, odds are it was a visual check and not an electrical check, most responses to that check are to check it electronically... but new members are under a little stress whether it be they are at a CG without a lot of tools and knowledge or their spouse/partner/kids is climbing all over them because the DVR with kids movies doesn't work, or the fridge has been off for 5 hours, or the water is running out of the toilet. Try calling support or a JAYCO service center while at the campground. Most repairs, JAYCO will give you the name of a authorized JAYCO dealer, where we stay it is about 80 miles away.

I personally love it when members give me 10 different things that could be wrong... unbelievable how much "OUT OF THE BOX THINKING" takes place on this forum, and things that may not have been thought about. Of course, I know which ones that I can eliminate through my knowledge of the problem. When you read these various posted ideas, that sticks with individuals that are not had much experience with trouble shooting issues. In the future they will say, Oh... I read that on a forum and I remember they said ...... to check it out or fix it.

I agree that some scan over the initial request posted, but that is a part of every forum.

Most members want to LEARN about their TT's, and welcome the advice posted. Granted, one needs to be cautious regarding some of the suggestions, and I usually will put a warning on my suggestions that may take an individual beyond their skills, where I suggest they contact a professional.

I guess if people do not like the information they receive on forums, or TMI for some to digest, then I would recommend getting online with the TT's mfr support group ( I have had good and bad experiences using them), or just get in line at the local TT repair shop.

I guess I would rather spend an extra hour or two trouble shooting and resolving the problem at home, instead of spending a day taking the TT to a dealer and not getting it back for a week, 2 weeks or a month due to the scheduling back log. I also like the feeling of SUCCESS when I tackle a problem and successfully resolve it, which feels so much better than handing the service center $150 dollars to figure it out.

Just my thoughts,

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Old 12-22-2015, 10:34 AM   #30
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"I guess I would rather spend an extra hour or two trouble shooting and resolving the problem at home, instead of spending a day taking the TT to a dealer and not getting it back for a week, 2 weeks or a month due to the scheduling back log. I also like the feeling of SUCCESS when I tackle a problem and successfully resolve it, which feels so much better than handing the service center $150 dollars to figure it out."

Obviously, I agree with that. I would hope that kind of motivation would be something that is embraced to the extent of taking some time to learn when things are working, not just when one has a breakdown.

When I worked for a short time as a Service Advisor, I made a great effort to talk to every owner that walked in for service about needing an electrical protection system (for surge and low voltage etc.) While I was there we were selling almost one a day as compared to one the last six months. Frankly, the service manager was unhappy. He wanted me to focus more on the paperwork as they seemed to enjoy more selling $3,500 in electrical repairs for those who were clueless having run across a bad pedestal.

From my point of view, in this industry, owners are better served putting in the time avoiding problems and avoiding going to the repair shops = education. Sure, some shops are great and some technicians are great. And this goes for warranty repairs as well - better to do it yourself if possible. And better to do an excellent PDI for both new and used units...trust only what you verify.
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