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Old 12-22-2015, 10:59 AM   #31
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my battery tips

The very first thing I did to my rv was clean and coat the battery posts with these 2 products. it's so simple but it eliminates battery connection problems for a year or so. If you think you are losing connection at a battery, feel of the post, it might be hot to the touch, that's the resistance to voltage producing heat at the terminal. It could be very hot, so be careful.
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Old 12-22-2015, 01:20 PM   #32
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There is more than one way to help somebody. At some point in my past, I seem to remember teaching someone to fish, rather than fishing for somebody, was a good idea.

These days it appears that owners are very motivated to throw fish (ideas) at someone that has an RV problem as the preferred way to do help someone. Not my way, however, as next time they have a problem they are in just as much trouble. And with electricity, you can do more damage messing around not knowing what you are doing and maybe hurt yourself severely as well.

Govt regulations aren't always the way to do things, but sometimes they are. I would be an advocate for a CDL license, as well as a basic operators (electric and propane) license. I also think testing people yearly over 65 should be done (both for visual limitations and mental limitations) to renew their licenses. Yes, I could list other categories of drivers as well.

Yeah, I did plan to leave the forum, some encouraged me to stay, so who knows. I think I'm in the minority when it comes to encouraging and teaching people to become more self-reliant and learn to fish a bit to help them stay on the road more and suffer less problems.
Not sure what this was all about, but wow!! CDL and a license for propane? What about all the homes with gas grills. Seriously, we all have to learn somewhere and this forum is a great place for help and info. I am the first to advocate more self reliance but the over 65 remark was out of line. RV'ers who are Seniors are typically the most experienced, most knowledgable, and most helpful to younger whipper snappers just getting started. At 68 I wear glasses, just got hearing aids, and have 4 different joint replacements, and can compete with some of the best on the forum for common sense repairs and maintance stuff. Have to ask, what motivated you to pick on over 65?
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Old 12-22-2015, 07:17 PM   #33
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There is more than one way to help somebody. At some point in my past, I seem to remember teaching someone to fish, rather than fishing for somebody, was a good idea.

These days it appears that owners are very motivated to throw fish (ideas) at someone that has an RV problem as the preferred way to do help someone. Not my way, however, as next time they have a problem they are in just as much trouble. And with electricity, you can do more damage messing around not knowing what you are doing and maybe hurt yourself severely as well.

I definitely agree that "there is nothing stopping them (RV owners) in these days and times but their own motivation."

And it seems that because of the lack of RV lemon laws there is not a lot of incentive for RV mfgs to make more reliable products or dealers to step up the repair and maintenance downtimes.

So yes, that is why I'm an advocate of stepping up our skills.

Govt regulations aren't always the way to do things, but sometimes they are. I would be an advocate for a CDL license, as well as a basic operators (electric and propane) license. I also think testing people yearly over 65 should be done (both for visual limitations and mental limitations) to renew their licenses. Yes, I could list other categories of drivers as well.

Yeah, I did plan to leave the forum, some encouraged me to stay, so who knows. I think I'm in the minority when it comes to encouraging and teaching people to become more self-reliant and learn to fish a bit to help them stay on the road more and suffer less problems.

I also advocate regular maintenance which some don't agree with either, who have a don't fix it unless it is broken point of view.

Note: I just inspected a beautiful early 2000's Safari mh that I believe will become a piece of junk soon. The owner is just letting the damage and maintenance problems mount up. Enough money to buy it, but not enough money or willingness to fix what is not absolutely required for his usage.
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Old 12-22-2015, 08:42 PM   #34
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Thank you camper-bob/don. I couldn't have said it better. Bottom line; I used this forum for an emergency and I got it fixed, and I got an education and realize I must get myself an deeper understanding on my TTelectrival shortcomings(arguably the most difficult and elusive aspect of this lifestyle). So on multiple levels this forum came thru with flying colors. So thank you everyone for your time and knowledge. Very much appreciated.
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Old 12-22-2015, 08:47 PM   #35
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I've been following this trying to form some type of response, When any of us try to help someone, I think we all share the hope that it's a learning event for the person we are trying to help and they don't overstep their skill level and get hurt.

Everyone buying a RV doesn't have the skills to maintain it. I'm sure Roger has spent most of his adult life or the last 14 years at least, working on or learning how to work on every RV system. Thank God we have people like him to do the things others can't. As is life, different people have different skills.

If I own a 747, should I know how to work on it, I don't think so. I've spent my life in maintenance work, electric motors, Hydraulics, welding, pumps, control systems and plc's as well as my air conditioning business for the last 25 years. Putting aside my building several drag cars as a hobby, how could a person that maybe spent years in college to become a executive and own a RV have the skills to do the work on it too?

I can only assume Roger sees older people without a clue how to fix most things on their rv and gets tired of trying to convince them of what needs to be done to keep it in top shape. Simple things to he and I are totally beyond their skills. Does that mean we shouldn't help them when they ask, I think we all will help others in need, that's the American way.
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Old 12-22-2015, 09:12 PM   #36
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i've been following this trying to form some type of response, when any of us try to help someone, i think we all share the hope that it's a learning event for the person we are trying to help and they don't overstep their skill level and get hurt.

Everyone buying a rv doesn't have the skills to maintain it. I'm sure roger has spent most of his adult life or the last 14 years at least, working on or learning how to work on every rv system. Thank god we have people like him to do the things others can't. As is life, different people have different skills.

If i own a 747, should i know how to work on it, i don't think so. I've spent my life in maintenance work, electric motors, hydraulics, welding, pumps, control systems and plc's as well as my air conditioning business for the last 25 years. Putting aside my building several drag cars as a hobby, how could a person that maybe spent years in college to become a executive and own a rv have the skills to do the work on it too?

I can only assume roger sees older people without a clue how to fix most things on their rv and gets tired of trying to convince them of what needs to be done to keep it in top shape. Simple things to he and i are totally beyond their skills. Does that mean we shouldn't help them when they ask, i think we all will help others in need, that's the american way.
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Old 12-23-2015, 08:49 AM   #37
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Suspect each and every one of us who have been RV'ing for at least 10 years have had one or more situations where the help of a fellow camper or road warrior in an "I'm screwed" situation. A good friend of mine lost the tranny in his TV on the way north from fla last winter. He was driving on the interstate with his 5'er and pulling a fishing boat. A good semariton towed his rig off the hwy to a nearby CG where he helped get the fiver unhitched and set up. The good guy then towed the truck to a diesel shop where over the next 5 days the tranny was repaired. The savior here will go unnamed as he gave of his time and help and accepted only a thanks. My friend, unable to "fish" in this case as he lacked the training to rebuild a tranny, he will forever be grateful for the help he received from this kind and thoughtful man.

Some times it appropriate to teach and sometimes it necessary simply to help. Its important to be able to see the difference and not expect everyone to have the experience or skills that we may have or to judge those who don't.

I would not buy a plane without learning to fly and maintain it, but an RV is sold as a user friendly plug and play kind of vehicle. Everyone was a newbie at one time. We all wish we knew a few things then that we learned later thanks to life experience and a few friends. I take this time to thank all those nameless travelers and bar stool experts who have helped me get on and down the road for the last 45 years. A Merry Christmas to all of you.
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Old 12-23-2015, 08:50 AM   #38
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I've been following this trying to form some type of response, When any of us try to help someone, I think we all share the hope that it's a learning event for the person we are trying to help and they don't overstep their skill level and get hurt.

Everyone buying a RV doesn't have the skills to maintain it. I'm sure Roger has spent most of his adult life or the last 14 years at least, working on or learning how to work on every RV system. Thank God we have people like him to do the things others can't. As is life, different people have different skills.

If I own a 747, should I know how to work on it, I don't think so. I've spent my life in maintenance work, electric motors, Hydraulics, welding, pumps, control systems and plc's as well as my air conditioning business for the last 25 years. Putting aside my building several drag cars as a hobby, how could a person that maybe spent years in college to become a executive and own a RV have the skills to do the work on it too?

I can only assume Roger sees older people without a clue how to fix most things on their rv and gets tired of trying to convince them of what needs to be done to keep it in top shape. Simple things to he and I are totally beyond their skills. Does that mean we shouldn't help them when they ask, I think we all will help others in need, that's the American way.
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I will address one of your points though, as I believe it applies to my station in life. I have spent the better part of my adult life earning a formal education. I have 4 degrees and a professional license; perhaps similar to what one might do to become an "executive". I LOVE learning about the systems in my RV and my vehicles. I LOVE getting my hands dirty and scraping grease out from my nails on the weekends. I spend virtually every free moment I have (which isn't that much really) learning about the technical aspects of my "toys" and my "tools". Perhaps it is in my blood; my dad turned wrenches on cars since he was a teenager; everything from small engines to commercial diesel motors. He still works on them, though these days he's more of a manager, but he's not above getting his hands dirty when duty calls (the man has thrown away many a white collared button-down with irreparable grease stains on them). He has one of my step-brother's cars apart in his garage right now replacing bearings in the engine.

My point is that I spent many years in college, AND I have (at least some) of the skills to work on my RV and my cars. Now granted, I don't have all the knowledge I need, and I'm admittedly weak in certain areas, but I sure am trying. So those of us with extensive formal education, and white collar jobs don't always want to hire out someone to do our "dirty" work. I for one want to do as much of it as I possibly can. Not only for the satisfaction of a job well done, and the obvious money savings, but I like doing it!

I think we all have something to offer, and I am glad it gets offered here on this forum. And I'm SUPER glad that so many people are willing to help other "strangers" with even the simplest of problems.

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At church, we study about our gifts given by God. One of mine is the gift of service. I would be untrue to my faith if I did not use that gift.

The last thing someone in need needs? is to be told that they should learn something.... but you can't help them?

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After 40 years of owning 10+ RV's from 40' DP motorhomes down to 16' TT's I consider myself to be extremely skilled in the things necessary to maintain an RV. I still learn something new on these forums everyday.
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