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Old 05-16-2019, 01:35 PM   #121
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Old 05-19-2019, 08:51 PM   #122
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So not going to lie...I read 2 pages and jumped to the end because I have a real life, current example.

I have a 2018 324BHTS and have now towed with both an 18' and currently a 19' F-150 Ecoboost.

I knew buying the trailer it would be max and dicey but I get a company F-150, 250 not really an option, and I tow 71 miles from Dallas to the Red River...one hill...thats it.

I would have NOT bought this trailer size if we wanted to go cross country.

Now to real life. Power and brakes are absolutely fine and do a great job. Rear suspension....not...so much.

I have 10,000 lbs equalizer hitch and old school pinch sway bar.

You can't go anywhere without the sway bar cranked as tight as you can get it.

I will be honest as others have mentioned...its not a fun tow...and when the winds are 20+ I leave the trailer at the campground and go back and get it once it calms down.

Semis and headwinds don't bother it much but any diagonal wind makes it interesting.

And just to scare myself, I went across the scales with 1/2 tank of gas, no water in the trailer or grey/black tanks, cross the bed toolbox with gear in it and maybe 250 lbs in the bed....16, 780!!!

So in summary....it "will" tow it, but with no remaining payload room for gear, and its just not a ton of fun.

Back to surfing for used diesels....:-)
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For you 1/2 ton folks, what VW posted is reality. Sure a 1/2 ton can do it, but get ready for an interesting ride. I had a more than capable 1/2 truck, but once you climb up or head down steep grades, then wind, and highway traffic that 1/2 ton is no longer the miracle truck.
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Old 05-20-2019, 10:24 PM   #124
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For you 1/2 ton folks, what VW posted is reality. Sure a 1/2 ton can do it, but get ready for an interesting ride. I had a more than capable 1/2 truck, but once you climb up or head down steep grades, then wind, and highway traffic that 1/2 ton is no longer the miracle truck.

I was sold a sub 3000 lb TT in April 2012 to tow behind a 2007 F150 with a 4.2 v6 and a 5 speed manual. After towing from NE Oklahoma to the TX Panhandle, it was not yet evident my -half ton- truck was not capable. It wasn't until I tried towing into a 40 mph headwind and going up a mild grade, (running 3rd gear at over 3800 rpm to maintain 53 mph) that my TV was a weak "suck". Then, after towing a little over 750 miles, checked the oil, and it was gassed. The truck only had 25k on it, and when I took it to the Ford dealer in Tulsa, asked why I would 'gas' the oil...his response was-" You've been towing, haven't you..." Tow rating on that power train was 2,650 lbs. I had been left with the impression I could tow just about anything. I had pulled a 14' box trailer three trips to move myself from Bellevue, Ne to Tulsa, and not seemed to struggle.


When I traded that vehicle for a 2009 Ford Flex SEL with factory tow package, it was a great improvement over the F150, I put over 45k on it pulling the same trailer all over five states in three years. Traded vehicles again, then upgraded trailer and the rest is history.
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Old 05-21-2019, 04:51 AM   #125
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Anyone using a f150 or half ton to tow 8000lbs plus. I just purchased a 32bhds and am looking to hear from anyone towing the same. I have ran all the numbers and am sure I'll be under my limits.
I will not sit here and say you can't do that. I'll tell you what I would do in that situation.

I have a 2014 F150 with HDPP with 3.5L EB. I use it to pull a 27' Jay Flight 23RB which is 6500# GVWR. For me, this is a very good combo. It pulls great. Took it on a 8900 mile trip from VA to FL, to NM, CO, UT, ID, WY, MT, SD and back home in the summer of 2018. It's one of the heaviest F150's you'll find. I never had any problem with 18 wheelers.

All that said, if I were to move up to a 32' long trailer that's 8k to 10k pounds, even though the ratings say my HDPP truck can pull it, I'd definitely move up to a 3/4 ton gasser, or 1 ton diesel.
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Anyone using a f150 or half ton to tow 8000lbs plus. I just purchased a 32bhds and am looking to hear from anyone towing the same. I have ran all the numbers and am sure I'll be under my limits.
Not enough truck IMHO......been there done that. To white knuckle for me
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Heading to Moab for Memorial Day. It will be the first time pulling the new TT with this truck. I will definitely tell you how it goes next week. One thing that strikes me is my 2014 Max Tow Ecoboost was rated to tow just over 11,000lbs. My new Ram 2500 6.4L is rated to tow just under 13,000lbs. So I think less than 2,000lbs difference between them, not that big of a deal. All I can say is I’m not an engineer and I’m not that smart, but just looking at these trucks makes me say wow. The Ram makes the F150 look like a toy. The Ram is just beefier and more stout which leads me to believe the towing experience will be so much better. No doubt the Ecoboost will crush this dog off the line with or without the trailer, but no more white knuckles makes the 3/4 ton a winner in my opinion.
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The Ram makes the F150 look like a toy. The Ram is just beefier and more stout which leads me to believe the towing experience will be so much better. No doubt the Ecoboost will crush this dog off the line with or without the trailer, but no more white knuckles makes the 3/4 ton a winner in my opinion.

Direct comparison here: Last month I traded a 2015 F150 EB (325hp) SCrew with 5.5ft bed for a 2019 RAM 1500 Hemi (375hp) QuadCab with 6.5 ft bed. Ford was a handful in a crosswind even with equalizer and sway control. My previous TT had "short" wheelbase exacerbating the tail wagging the dog. My JayFeather not only has better weight distribution, but 21" longer wheelbase on a 15" longer unit. Still wagged some behind the F150, the 400lb weight advantage between the RAM and F150 is only beneficial when unloaded. The RAM is more 'planted' and feels like it was 'born to tow'.



Granted, the RAM (DS) is a different truck than the RAM (DT), the Ford WAS top dog in 2015. DW's first impression looking out of the cab was, "It's WAY bigger than the Ford!" No, the hood has a bulge in it, and it feels THAT solid.
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Direct comparison here: Last month I traded a 2015 F150 EB (325hp) SCrew with 5.5ft bed for a 2019 RAM 1500 Hemi (375hp) QuadCab with 6.5 ft bed. Ford was a handful in a crosswind even with equalizer and sway control. My previous TT had "short" wheelbase exacerbating the tail wagging the dog. My JayFeather not only has better weight distribution, but 21" longer wheelbase on a 15" longer unit. Still wagged some behind the F150, the 400lb weight advantage between the RAM and F150 is only beneficial when unloaded. The RAM is more 'planted' and feels like it was 'born to tow'.



Granted, the RAM (DS) is a different truck than the RAM (DT), the Ford WAS top dog in 2015. DW's first impression looking out of the cab was, "It's WAY bigger than the Ford!" No, the hood has a bulge in it, and it feels THAT solid.

Awesome! That’s what I want to hear.
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Heading to Moab for Memorial Day. It will be the first time pulling the new TT with this truck. I will definitely tell you how it goes next week. One thing that strikes me is my 2014 Max Tow Ecoboost was rated to tow just over 11,000lbs. My new Ram 2500 6.4L is rated to tow just under 13,000lbs. So I think less than 2,000lbs difference between them, not that big of a deal. All I can say is I’m not an engineer and I’m not that smart, but just looking at these trucks makes me say wow. The Ram makes the F150 look like a toy. The Ram is just beefier and more stout which leads me to believe the towing experience will be so much better. No doubt the Ecoboost will crush this dog off the line with or without the trailer, but no more white knuckles makes the 3/4 ton a winner in my opinion.

I've got both an Ecoboost Ford and a Cummins Ram sitting side by side in my driveway. Does the HD Ram tow the same trailer better than the Ford...yes to a point. Does it still get tossed around by a poor handling trailer, absolutely.

Proper hitch work and balance is important no matter what size tow vehicle you have. If you haven't done so already, visit the CAT scale and get everything dialed in correctly, even with your new heavier truck.
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I'M towing Jay feather 27RL with 2018 F-150. Max tow pkg., 4x4, 20 inch tires.157" wheelbase and 3.5L Eco boost. Tows the trailer easily. I forgot to mention Husky weight distribution hitch.
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For another point of comparison

My Setup

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2019 23BHM and w/ what I pack im around 5500-5700
This gives me 700-750 on the hitch (using my scale)

With this setup, it rides smooth but i can for sure feel the wind and the trucks passing me by. I had a 2018 2.7 and was super tired of being worried about where i could go all the time. the 3.5 is not night and day but i feel like i dont have to stress as much

you will definitely NOT be happy just squeaking by
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I have a 2018 Platinum SC SB F150 Fx4, Tow mirrors, Max Tow (rated at 12,700lbs conventional using wdh) 3.5 Ecoboost 375HP 470ft/lbs Tq 3.55 gears 10 sp auto.

The wheels are the 20” with 6 bolts

I use a hensley Arrow hitch with 1400lbs bars

I am towing a 2018 Eagle 322RLOK 38.5’ empty weight per sticker is 10,240 GVW 11,700.

I have been getting between 9.5 and 11 mpg while towing

I attached a short video of it hooked up this past Monday before I dropped it off for some warranty work - I plan on touching up the hitch paint- it was used when I bought it 15 years ago.

I have never had any sway, taking it out of the camp grounds is a 7 degree incline - per the trucks display (not very long maybe 1/2 mile) and I’ve had no issues the truck typically runs at about 1800-2200 and when accelerating it goes upto 3500, all temps are showing good.

I only have about 300 miles towing it but Monday we had 35mph gusts (Buffalo NY area we had a blizzard last Thursday and about 2.5 - 3’ of snow depending on where and drifts, the temp went up to 60 and the roads were wet from the melting snow.

This truck is like a race car so it definitely performs differently when towing an extra 10K vs not but it tows very well.

I just bought some airlift ride control airbags and have an appointment to have them installed tomorrow - I noticed a bit more bounce in the suspension over rough roads and want to firm it up a bit.

I also will be putting about 250lbs of generator(igen4500df) and propane (60lbs-108 w tanks) on the factory installed trailer receiver.

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Sorry, but that looks crazy overloaded.
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Sorry, but that looks crazy overloaded.
It is, before he even sets foot in the door of his truck. A platinum f150 has a stupid low payload like 1100 - 1200 lbs. I bet the tongue weight is about that, plus the wd hitch is another 80+.
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Yes,,,I do it with no problem, watch your speed, WDH hitch, and trailer brakes. Not many steep hills. 2010 F150, Platinum, 5.4 V-8, 3.55 gears,limited slip, trailer tow pkg on truck, Trailer wieght is 7,500 to 8,100 lbs. I only tow it approx 6 to 7 times a year. Dealer told me the 5.4 engine would be good to do this and according to truck door specs it is.
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Direct comparison here: Last month I traded a 2015 F150 EB (325hp) SCrew with 5.5ft bed for a 2019 RAM 1500 Hemi (375hp) QuadCab with 6.5 ft bed. Ford was a handful in a crosswind even with equalizer and sway control. My previous TT had "short" wheelbase exacerbating the tail wagging the dog. My JayFeather not only has better weight distribution, but 21" longer wheelbase on a 15" longer unit. Still wagged some behind the F150, the 400lb weight advantage between the RAM and F150 is only beneficial when unloaded. The RAM is more 'planted' and feels like it was 'born to tow'.



Granted, the RAM (DS) is a different truck than the RAM (DT), the Ford WAS top dog in 2015. DW's first impression looking out of the cab was, "It's WAY bigger than the Ford!" No, the hood has a bulge in it, and it feels THAT solid.

The RAM was reacquired by FCA on January 23, 2020 through the Texas Lemon Law. I purchase through Vroom on line a 2018 Nissan Titan. The RAM was at the dealership from 10-8 until 10-28-19, and again from 11-8 until reacquired. I have owned lots of new vehicles in the course of my 51 years driving and NEVER had one go 'unfixable'. This is my second Nissan truck (1999 Frontier was the first) and I am tickled pink, as it out pulls the Ford and the RAM, and almost gets as good fuel mileage both pulling and empty, vs the Ford (which burned premium). And the RAM...it ran, pulled, drove (except for the ANC module problem) and felt more premium than the Ford. It also got the worst mileage. Granted, the Nissan tech is half a decade back, but so was the 2015 Ford, And now that I have SumoSprings on the rear, it's even better.
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Towing with a 1/2 Ton

Anytime a question like this comes up there is always a multitude of opinions. I honestly don’t now the 100% right answer. I can say that my DW and I towed our White Hawk 28RL with a Tundra CrewMax. I had plenty of power, but had to add air bags to handle the tongue weight. We pull all over the US but have an affinity for the Rockies. I was always worn out by the end of a travel day. Stayed tense all the time while towing. I had one experience when we could not get stopped fast enough when a nut tried to pass us with oncoming traffic.

All this to say that we upgraded to a 2500HD this year. The 3/4 handles our 28ft 8000 lb loaded trailer with no issues what so ever. I just set the cruise on 63 mph and go. Stress is way much lower, gas mileage is better, and hp to spare.

Money is always a factor, but for my size TT I am thankful we were able to upgrade to the 3/4. Flat land towing with no hills, no wind, and no traffic can be done with the 1/2 ton I think, as long as you are aware of potential problems and keep speed well within reason.

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Exactly my story, 28RL - Tundra, now 28RL - RAM 2500 Turbo Diesel. Salt River Canyon made my decision.
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