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Old 12-03-2017, 04:05 PM   #1
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Hi everyone;

My family and I are new to trailer camping and are purchasing a Jay Feather 25BH. Now we need a vehicle to pull it but I want to make sure I get the appropraite safe vehicle for towing. Ive done research but Im not sure my math is correct and Im hoping the experts can partake some wisdom.

Trailer info
Vehicle Weight 5305lbs
Dry Hitch Weight 645lbs
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating 6750lbs
Cargo Capacity 1445lbs

Now our need for a vehicle puts us in a full size SUV class. Truck isnt in the cards with the amount of kids and kids friends we have. After doing some research were interested in a 2016 Toyota Sequoia SR5

Toyota info
Towing Capacity 7100lbs
Max Tongue Weight 710lbs
GCWR 13600lbs
Payload 1315lbs

So where my math gets messy is when I start trying to figure out payload needs.

When I add up what will be in the car I get
Full Tank of Gas 167lbs
Driver and Passenger - 900lbs
Cargo - 200lbs
Tongue Weight - 700lbs
Total Vehicle Payload - 1967lbs


So if my math is correct and the Sequioa payload also has to incorporate the tongue weight of about 700lbs that puts me 652lbs over the max payload.

Something seems off if the Toyota which can pull 7100lbs wont be able to tow our new trailer and family.

Please let me know if my math is wrong. I dont want to buy a vehicle that wont allow us to safely enjoy our new hobby.

Thanks for you time and advice
Travis
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Old 12-03-2017, 04:32 PM   #2
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Hi everyone;

My family and I are new to trailer camping and are purchasing a Jay Feather 25BH. Now we need a vehicle to pull it but I want to make sure I get the appropraite safe vehicle for towing. Ive done research but Im not sure my math is correct and Im hoping the experts can partake some wisdom.

Trailer info
Vehicle Weight 5305lbs
Dry Hitch Weight 645lbs
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating 6750lbs
Cargo Capacity 1445lbs

Now our need for a vehicle puts us in a full size SUV class. Truck isnt in the cards with the amount of kids and kids friends we have. After doing some research were interested in a 2016 Toyota Sequoia SR5

Toyota info
Towing Capacity 7100lbs
Max Tongue Weight 710lbs
GCWR 13600lbs
Payload 1315lbs

So where my math gets messy is when I start trying to figure out payload needs.

When I add up what will be in the car I get
Full Tank of Gas 167lbs
Driver and Passenger - 900lbs
Cargo - 200lbs
Tongue Weight - 700lbs
Total Vehicle Payload - 1967lbs


So if my math is correct and the Sequioa payload also has to incorporate the tongue weight of about 700lbs that puts me 652lbs over the max payload.

Something seems off if the Toyota which can pull 7100lbs wont be able to tow our new trailer and family.

Please let me know if my math is wrong. I dont want to buy a vehicle that wont allow us to safely enjoy our new hobby.

Thanks for you time and advice
Travis


Your math is right, and a common problem with all the current crop of SUVs. Most of them are maxed out with just people in them. The Armada, Expedition, and Yukon/Suburban/Tahoe have payloads in the 1600~1800 range depending on model and options.


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Old 12-03-2017, 04:54 PM   #3
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I was surprised after buying our first HTT (details are below). Out max towing # was 9500# and the little trailer came in about 4500#. I thought I was in great shape. A trip to the CAT Scale showed me I was about 200# below the Rear GAWR. When we added a second couple in the back seat we were probably just over.
My take-away is the max towing wt is pretty much useless. (I use the # as a starting point to estimate the max TT wt a TV should tow - “divide the max tow wt by 2” and you have a conservative starting point). Maybe a 3/4 T van? A crew cab pickup w no front console should be capable of 6 folks.
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Old 12-03-2017, 05:06 PM   #4
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A 2500/3500 series van as mentioned above is a great recommendation. I personally have a Mercedes-Benz Sprinter 2500 Passenger van. But if I were buying one as a primary tow vehicle, it would be a Chevrolet Express/GMC Savanna. They are still on a truck type full frame and are much more tailored to towing duty than the Euro Style Ford Transit or Sprinter.
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Does the Sequoia have the 5.7L V8? With only a 7100 tow capacity, seems it has the smaller V8. Not sure if the ones with the 5.7 get a higher cargo capacity. As has already been said, if you only need to haul 6 total, a crew cab truck with do it easily as long as it is the right setup.
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Old 12-03-2017, 09:02 PM   #6
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For what it's worth, my 1/2 ton pickup has a payload capacity of only 1650 pounds. Also, if your new trailer is loaded to the max, you're looking at more than 700 pounds tongue weight--it could be up to 15% of 6750 pounds. I think you should be looking at 3/4 ton pickups and vans.
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Old 12-04-2017, 06:50 AM   #7
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Hi everyone;

My family and I are new to trailer camping and are purchasing a Jay Feather 25BH. Now we need a vehicle to pull it but I want to make sure I get the appropraite safe vehicle for towing. Ive done research but Im not sure my math is correct and Im hoping the experts can partake some wisdom.

Trailer info
Vehicle Weight 5305lbs
Dry Hitch Weight 645lbs
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating 6750lbs
Cargo Capacity 1445lbs

Now our need for a vehicle puts us in a full size SUV class. Truck isnt in the cards with the amount of kids and kids friends we have. After doing some research were interested in a 2016 Toyota Sequoia SR5

Toyota info
Towing Capacity 7100lbs
Max Tongue Weight 710lbs
GCWR 13600lbs
Payload 1315lbs

So where my math gets messy is when I start trying to figure out payload needs.

When I add up what will be in the car I get
Full Tank of Gas 167lbs
Driver and Passenger - 900lbs
Cargo - 200lbs
Tongue Weight - 700lbs
Total Vehicle Payload - 1967lbs


So if my math is correct and the Sequioa payload also has to incorporate the tongue weight of about 700lbs that puts me 652lbs over the max payload.

Something seems off if the Toyota which can pull 7100lbs wont be able to tow our new trailer and family.

Please let me know if my math is wrong. I dont want to buy a vehicle that wont allow us to safely enjoy our new hobby.

Thanks for you time and advice
Travis

Your math is right. My 2008 Sequoia can safely tow my trailer and my family of 6 and a 40#dog for what it is worth. Fully loaded with family and trailer TW my Sequoia weight in at 7600#. I have not problem stopping or going. And no swaying with my Curt True Track WDH.
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Old 12-04-2017, 10:22 AM   #8
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If you need an SUV, look for a Suburban. Maybe an Expedition. I think you are in 2500 Suburban territory to give yourself some payload room. You probably have to find one at auction as they are usually fleet vehicles, I think at least.
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Old 12-05-2017, 01:31 PM   #9
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Hi everyone;

My family and I are new to trailer camping and are purchasing a Jay Feather 25BH. Now we need a vehicle to pull it but I want to make sure I get the appropraite safe vehicle for towing. Ive done research but Im not sure my math is correct and Im hoping the experts can partake some wisdom.

Trailer info
Vehicle Weight 5305lbs
Dry Hitch Weight 645lbs
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating 6750lbs
Cargo Capacity 1445lbs

Now our need for a vehicle puts us in a full size SUV class. Truck isnt in the cards with the amount of kids and kids friends we have. After doing some research were interested in a 2016 Toyota Sequoia SR5

Toyota info
Towing Capacity 7100lbs
Max Tongue Weight 710lbs
GCWR 13600lbs
Payload 1315lbs

So where my math gets messy is when I start trying to figure out payload needs.

When I add up what will be in the car I get
Full Tank of Gas 167lbs
Driver and Passenger - 900lbs
Cargo - 200lbs
Tongue Weight - 700lbs
Total Vehicle Payload - 1967lbs


So if my math is correct and the Sequioa payload also has to incorporate the tongue weight of about 700lbs that puts me 652lbs over the max payload.

Something seems off if the Toyota which can pull 7100lbs wont be able to tow our new trailer and family.

Please let me know if my math is wrong. I dont want to buy a vehicle that wont allow us to safely enjoy our new hobby.

Thanks for you time and advice
Travis
When we first purchased our 2014 White Hawk 27 DSRB we towed it with my wife's 2008 Nissan Armada with the towing package. It did just fine with it and the grandkids loved the dvd player that came with it.
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The Nissan NV 3500 Van would work for you as well. I personally am not a Nissan fan and would opt for some of the other choices mentioned above, but just throwing that in here for options.
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Old 12-06-2017, 12:29 PM   #11
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OP do you require a SUV? if so then you will be limited.. the SUV's all have high geared rearends to get that .01 extra miles to the gallon..


you could look at an SUV with 3.55's you might have to order one though... with a 6.2L gas motor
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I have a 17 25bh and I can give you my numbers to help give you realistic weights verified by a cat scale. We pack fairly light, do not travel with water and go grocery shopping after we set up camp and loaded I am at 6000lbs and my tongue weight is exactly 900lbs. My TV is a 17 ram 1500 with 5.7 hemi with 3.92 gearing. I am not over on my weights but I am close. I would be more comfortable with a 2500 but my truck gets it done well. Good weight distribution is a must. I use blue ox sway pro and am very satisfied with it. If you need an suv, like others have said, look for a suburban 2500 or an excursion. Good luck and ask me if you any questions about the trailer or my combo. I am sure you will love, it is a great camper.

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Your math is right. My 2008 Sequoia can safely tow my trailer and my family of 6 and a 40#dog for what it is worth. Fully loaded with family and trailer TW my Sequoia weight in at 7600#. I have not problem stopping or going. And no swaying with my Curt True Track WDH.
The 28BHBE is a beast! The tongue weight and WDH alone has got to be near 1000#'s. That number comes directly off of your payload, before you even get into passengers and cargo in the vehicle. This setup, when loaded, easily has to exceed your payload and quite possibly your RAWR numbers.

We had a 287BHSW with a Tundra and it was seriously pushing the payload limits.

Best of luck, be careful out there.
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The Nissan NV 3500 Van would work for you as well. I personally am not a Nissan fan and would opt for some of the other choices mentioned above, but just throwing that in here for options.
I have looked at the NV from Nissan it is nice for the money and the 17 or 18 model's have 5 year 100k bumper to bumper.
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What about something a little older? You could pick up a diesel ford excursion and that would satisfy your needs. However they stopped making them around 2007
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Excursion were made from 2000-2005. I have a 2002 with some mods and it pulls our 2011 jAYCO 33RLDS WITH EASE. We have the 6.8 LITRE v-10. There are a lot of them around but they are expensive.
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I only wish Ford would bring back the Excursion. Especially with the 6.7 PSD. I would consider selling my truck for one and buying an old bush truck for when a pick-up is required, and just roll with the Excursion full time (lifted on 35s of course).

Towing a 28BHBE with a Sequoia is a bad idea any way you slice it. By the time you reduced tongue weight enough to not exceed payload or axle, you would have a sway nightmare on your hands.
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I only wish Ford would bring back the Excursion. Especially with the 6.7 PSD. I would consider selling my truck for one and buying an old bush truck for when a pick-up is required, and just roll with the Excursion full time (lifted on 35s of course).

Towing a 28BHBE with a Sequoia is a bad idea any way you slice it. By the time you reduced tongue weight enough to not exceed payload or axle, you would have a sway nightmare on your hands.


An Excursion, 2500 Suburban, or 2500 Ram Charger with the latest truck drivetrains would have me selling my truck. The manufacturers say there is no market for big SUVs, but they kept removing the utility to appeal to the soccer mommy crowd.


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An Excursion, 2500 Suburban, or 2500 Ram Charger with the latest truck drivetrains would have me selling my truck. The manufacturers say there is no market for big SUVs, but they kept removing the utility to appeal to the soccer mommy crowd.


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There is a market for it but thanks to the government and EPA, those types of vehicles will never be built because they aren't fuel efficient (not enough at least). There's a place in Oklahoma, custom autos by Tim, that will convert your 6.7 super duty into and excursion.


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Your math is right. My 2008 Sequoia can safely tow my trailer and my family of 6 and a 40#dog for what it is worth. Fully loaded with family and trailer TW my Sequoia weight in at 7600#. I have not problem stopping or going. And no swaying with my Curt True Track WDH.
Curious, have you got a accurate scale weight on your Sequoia rear axle with the TT hooked up, family and supplies loaded for travel?
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