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Old 12-03-2017, 03:05 PM   #1
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Hi everyone;

My family and I are new to trailer camping and are purchasing a Jay Feather 25BH. Now we need a vehicle to pull it but I want to make sure I get the appropraite safe vehicle for towing. Ive done research but Im not sure my math is correct and Im hoping the experts can partake some wisdom.

Trailer info
Vehicle Weight 5305lbs
Dry Hitch Weight 645lbs
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating 6750lbs
Cargo Capacity 1445lbs

Now our need for a vehicle puts us in a full size SUV class. Truck isnt in the cards with the amount of kids and kids friends we have. After doing some research were interested in a 2016 Toyota Sequoia SR5

Toyota info
Towing Capacity 7100lbs
Max Tongue Weight 710lbs
GCWR 13600lbs
Payload 1315lbs

So where my math gets messy is when I start trying to figure out payload needs.

When I add up what will be in the car I get
Full Tank of Gas 167lbs
Driver and Passenger - 900lbs
Cargo - 200lbs
Tongue Weight - 700lbs
Total Vehicle Payload - 1967lbs


So if my math is correct and the Sequioa payload also has to incorporate the tongue weight of about 700lbs that puts me 652lbs over the max payload.

Something seems off if the Toyota which can pull 7100lbs wont be able to tow our new trailer and family.

Please let me know if my math is wrong. I dont want to buy a vehicle that wont allow us to safely enjoy our new hobby.

Thanks for you time and advice
Travis
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Old 12-03-2017, 03:32 PM   #2
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Hi everyone;

My family and I are new to trailer camping and are purchasing a Jay Feather 25BH. Now we need a vehicle to pull it but I want to make sure I get the appropraite safe vehicle for towing. Ive done research but Im not sure my math is correct and Im hoping the experts can partake some wisdom.

Trailer info
Vehicle Weight 5305lbs
Dry Hitch Weight 645lbs
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating 6750lbs
Cargo Capacity 1445lbs

Now our need for a vehicle puts us in a full size SUV class. Truck isnt in the cards with the amount of kids and kids friends we have. After doing some research were interested in a 2016 Toyota Sequoia SR5

Toyota info
Towing Capacity 7100lbs
Max Tongue Weight 710lbs
GCWR 13600lbs
Payload 1315lbs

So where my math gets messy is when I start trying to figure out payload needs.

When I add up what will be in the car I get
Full Tank of Gas 167lbs
Driver and Passenger - 900lbs
Cargo - 200lbs
Tongue Weight - 700lbs
Total Vehicle Payload - 1967lbs


So if my math is correct and the Sequioa payload also has to incorporate the tongue weight of about 700lbs that puts me 652lbs over the max payload.

Something seems off if the Toyota which can pull 7100lbs wont be able to tow our new trailer and family.

Please let me know if my math is wrong. I dont want to buy a vehicle that wont allow us to safely enjoy our new hobby.

Thanks for you time and advice
Travis


Your math is right, and a common problem with all the current crop of SUVs. Most of them are maxed out with just people in them. The Armada, Expedition, and Yukon/Suburban/Tahoe have payloads in the 1600~1800 range depending on model and options.


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Old 12-03-2017, 03:54 PM   #3
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I was surprised after buying our first HTT (details are below). Out max towing # was 9500# and the little trailer came in about 4500#. I thought I was in great shape. A trip to the CAT Scale showed me I was about 200# below the Rear GAWR. When we added a second couple in the back seat we were probably just over.
My take-away is the max towing wt is pretty much useless. (I use the # as a starting point to estimate the max TT wt a TV should tow - “divide the max tow wt by 2” and you have a conservative starting point). Maybe a 3/4 T van? A crew cab pickup w no front console should be capable of 6 folks.
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Old 12-03-2017, 04:06 PM   #4
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A 2500/3500 series van as mentioned above is a great recommendation. I personally have a Mercedes-Benz Sprinter 2500 Passenger van. But if I were buying one as a primary tow vehicle, it would be a Chevrolet Express/GMC Savanna. They are still on a truck type full frame and are much more tailored to towing duty than the Euro Style Ford Transit or Sprinter.
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Old 12-03-2017, 06:29 PM   #5
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Does the Sequoia have the 5.7L V8? With only a 7100 tow capacity, seems it has the smaller V8. Not sure if the ones with the 5.7 get a higher cargo capacity. As has already been said, if you only need to haul 6 total, a crew cab truck with do it easily as long as it is the right setup.
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Old 12-03-2017, 08:02 PM   #6
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For what it's worth, my 1/2 ton pickup has a payload capacity of only 1650 pounds. Also, if your new trailer is loaded to the max, you're looking at more than 700 pounds tongue weight--it could be up to 15% of 6750 pounds. I think you should be looking at 3/4 ton pickups and vans.
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Old 12-04-2017, 05:50 AM   #7
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Hi everyone;

My family and I are new to trailer camping and are purchasing a Jay Feather 25BH. Now we need a vehicle to pull it but I want to make sure I get the appropraite safe vehicle for towing. Ive done research but Im not sure my math is correct and Im hoping the experts can partake some wisdom.

Trailer info
Vehicle Weight 5305lbs
Dry Hitch Weight 645lbs
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating 6750lbs
Cargo Capacity 1445lbs

Now our need for a vehicle puts us in a full size SUV class. Truck isnt in the cards with the amount of kids and kids friends we have. After doing some research were interested in a 2016 Toyota Sequoia SR5

Toyota info
Towing Capacity 7100lbs
Max Tongue Weight 710lbs
GCWR 13600lbs
Payload 1315lbs

So where my math gets messy is when I start trying to figure out payload needs.

When I add up what will be in the car I get
Full Tank of Gas 167lbs
Driver and Passenger - 900lbs
Cargo - 200lbs
Tongue Weight - 700lbs
Total Vehicle Payload - 1967lbs


So if my math is correct and the Sequioa payload also has to incorporate the tongue weight of about 700lbs that puts me 652lbs over the max payload.

Something seems off if the Toyota which can pull 7100lbs wont be able to tow our new trailer and family.

Please let me know if my math is wrong. I dont want to buy a vehicle that wont allow us to safely enjoy our new hobby.

Thanks for you time and advice
Travis

Your math is right. My 2008 Sequoia can safely tow my trailer and my family of 6 and a 40#dog for what it is worth. Fully loaded with family and trailer TW my Sequoia weight in at 7600#. I have not problem stopping or going. And no swaying with my Curt True Track WDH.
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Old 12-04-2017, 09:22 AM   #8
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If you need an SUV, look for a Suburban. Maybe an Expedition. I think you are in 2500 Suburban territory to give yourself some payload room. You probably have to find one at auction as they are usually fleet vehicles, I think at least.
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Old 12-05-2017, 12:31 PM   #9
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Hi everyone;

My family and I are new to trailer camping and are purchasing a Jay Feather 25BH. Now we need a vehicle to pull it but I want to make sure I get the appropraite safe vehicle for towing. Ive done research but Im not sure my math is correct and Im hoping the experts can partake some wisdom.

Trailer info
Vehicle Weight 5305lbs
Dry Hitch Weight 645lbs
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating 6750lbs
Cargo Capacity 1445lbs

Now our need for a vehicle puts us in a full size SUV class. Truck isnt in the cards with the amount of kids and kids friends we have. After doing some research were interested in a 2016 Toyota Sequoia SR5

Toyota info
Towing Capacity 7100lbs
Max Tongue Weight 710lbs
GCWR 13600lbs
Payload 1315lbs

So where my math gets messy is when I start trying to figure out payload needs.

When I add up what will be in the car I get
Full Tank of Gas 167lbs
Driver and Passenger - 900lbs
Cargo - 200lbs
Tongue Weight - 700lbs
Total Vehicle Payload - 1967lbs


So if my math is correct and the Sequioa payload also has to incorporate the tongue weight of about 700lbs that puts me 652lbs over the max payload.

Something seems off if the Toyota which can pull 7100lbs wont be able to tow our new trailer and family.

Please let me know if my math is wrong. I dont want to buy a vehicle that wont allow us to safely enjoy our new hobby.

Thanks for you time and advice
Travis
When we first purchased our 2014 White Hawk 27 DSRB we towed it with my wife's 2008 Nissan Armada with the towing package. It did just fine with it and the grandkids loved the dvd player that came with it.
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Old 12-06-2017, 08:01 AM   #10
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The Nissan NV 3500 Van would work for you as well. I personally am not a Nissan fan and would opt for some of the other choices mentioned above, but just throwing that in here for options.
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