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Old 03-13-2015, 09:41 PM   #31
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Please don't take this personally, but this is the best way I know to force the point.

Please give me your address so that next time I need to dump my grey water I can dump it on your lawn..........

I sure know I wouldn't like it if someone dumped on my lawn. My campgrounds and parks are for me and my family to use and enjoy. I really don't want my kids walking and playing in everyones waste water.

Seriously, I apologize if I am sound like I am being rude, I'm really not trying to be, just trying to get a point across.
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Old 03-13-2015, 09:47 PM   #32
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I don't think you are being rude at all. But if l the City I live in and my HOA waters with gray water (officially called "reclaimed" or "reuse" water), I don't understand the harm. Again, I just want some sort of "official" answer so I can understand the rational. I understand what is being said, but why are City's using this water and its aloud, but not in a camp ground. I'm not being difficult, just rational.
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Old 03-13-2015, 09:55 PM   #33
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I don't think you are being rude at all. But if l the City I live in and my HOA waters with gray water (officially called "reclaimed" or "reuse" water), I don't understand the harm. Again, I just want some sort of "official" answer so I can understand the rational. I understand what is being said, but why are City's using this water and its aloud, but not in a camp ground. I'm not being difficult, just rational.
Most likely what they are calling "grey water" is from storm sewers, not sanitary sewers. Also some cities will use "reclaimed or reused "water is water that has gone through the sewer treatment plant. Some cities actually mix this with "new" water and it is used in the public water system. Either way it is either rain water or treated sewer water. They are not dumping water directly from your sanitary system onto lawns. Actually unless your city has dual sanitary systems (highly unlikely) there would be no way to collect separate sewer and gray water. Storm sewers are separate from sanitary systems, many golf courses use that water here in Az.
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Old 03-13-2015, 11:49 PM   #34
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Would it be feasible and/or appropriate to hook up a lengthy hose to the grey/black waste water pipe on the trailer and permit the grey water to flow to a place far away from the trailer where a pit has been dug?

Assume that the trailer is located in the woods on private land with no neighbors or water of any kind anywhere nearby.

If this works for the grey water, what about black water? Would it be any different than a typical private septic tank for sewage from a home? Again, assume that it is located in a very isolated place with no ground or surface water anywhere nearby.
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Old 03-14-2015, 07:16 AM   #35
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Many private CG and State Parks use drywells(a pit filled with rocks) for grey water disposal. We have also been in CGs that encouraged the grey water to be drained around their trees especially out West. So there can be many very differing opinons as to what is right or wrong.
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Old 03-14-2015, 08:27 AM   #36
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I spoke to a friend that works for the Az DNR last night. He said it is illegal to dump any water from any source (unless drinkable) on the ground in any state campground. Here grey water is defined as from showers, washers and bathroom sinks, kitchen sinks waste water is classified as sewerage. Even while boondocking, the dumping of water on the ground is not allowed. There are some areas, with very restrictive rules where you can dump grey water, but never water from a kitchen sink. He also said most of our neighboring states have similar rules. He also went on to say the EPA is trying to gain control of all surface water, even puddles from rain. Their rules would be even more restrictive than the states current rules. Bottom line, the environmentalists have been very busy and very productive at restricting any water (unless drinkable) from being dumped anywhere except in a registered dump station. Bottom line, don't dump any water anywhere. The EPA even has rules on collecting and using rainwater on your own property...
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Over years of dumping, soap and other "things" will contaminate the ground, and ground water. Eventually everything gets into ground water. You dump, it sits on the surface, then it rains, soaks in a little. Then you dump more, it rains more. etc etc etc. over time.....nothing good can come of it.
So drain fields or leach fields dont do any of that?
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So drain fields or leach fields dont do any of that?
A leach field is only liquids, solids remain in the septic tank to be pumped out and disposed of. I would assume this is why, at least in Az and it appears many other states, have ruled kitchen sink waste as sewage not grey water. It is the food particles that seem to be the worse culprit. Reading rules for back country camping (hiking in) require all soap to be biodegradable, with very restrictive rules on how close to moving or standing water you can dump even biodegradable waste water. They make it so difficult to stay within the rules, I would not take the chance at dumping any water I can't drink.
Im not saying I agree with the rules, nor do I agree they make any common sense at all.. but what government agency ever makes common sense? If the EPA gains control you won't be able to spit without breaking the rules. Environmentalists would only be happy if people were not allowed anywhere...except them of course...
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A leach field is only liquids, solids remain in the septic tank to be pumped out and disposed of. I would assume this is why, at least in Az and it appears many other states, have ruled kitchen sink waste as sewage not grey water. It is the food particles that seem to be the worse culprit. Reading rules for back country camping (hiking in) require all soap to be biodegradable, with very restrictive rules on how close to moving or standing water you can dump even biodegradable waste water. They make it so difficult to stay within the rules, I would not take the chance at dumping any water I can't drink.
Im not saying I agree with the rules, nor do I agree they make any common sense at all.. but what government agency ever makes common sense? If the EPA gains control you won't be able to spit without breaking the rules. Environmentalists would only be happy if people were not allowed anywhere...except them of course...
Im well aware that the solids stay in the tank.

My point was the liquid going to the leach field is far nastier than grey camping liquid imo.
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Have you ever been to a campsite where the previous campers washed/rinsed dishes in tubs on a bench then dumped the gray water? My experience is a gross table, mushy soapy turf with food bits, and both day and night critters (swarming ants, bees, raccoons, etc.) enjoying the detritus (dead particulate organic material). As we say, leave your campsite cleaner than you found it!
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