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Old 03-10-2016, 03:56 PM   #41
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I was reading that I need to tilt the ball if I have more than 5 chains left on my spring bars.....well looking at my pic I have about 8 chains. So do we tilt the ball towards the truck or towards the camper....Oh I am so confused...LOL
Be careful not to get the terminology of chain links "hanging free" confused with chain links "under tension", two very different conditions.

Referencing your photos in your original post, you presently have "8 chain links under tension" with 1 chain link hanging free. The instructions for your specific WDH state that: "Readjust degree of tilt on ball mount, if you have more than 5 links of chain hanging free." So based on this statement you meet the manufactures recommendation with your 1 chain link hanging free (but doesn't mean your WDH adjustment is ideal).

The objective of your WDH is to restore the weight back to your TV's front suspension that was previously removed when the TT's tongue weight was initially placed on your hitch ball (your TV's front end rise). In making the required WDH adjustments to accomplish the proper weight transfer, most WDH manufactures instructions reference using your TV's fender heights as a means (ball park) to do this (unhitched compared to hitched). The WDH is designed to restore the TV's original front suspension characteristics, not the TV's rear suspension...., although it will help in reducing some of the rear end squat.

The goal thru WDH adjustments is to insure that proper (restored) weight transfer was accomplished and that your WDH round spring bars are parallel to the TT frame when engaged.

You may have to read the WDH installation instructions a couple of times to grasp how a given adjustment effects the operation of the WDH. Reviewing the installation instructions and standing next to your WDH may be helpful. As I mentioned earlier, this first time dealing with a WDH adjustment it's best to have someone with you that is familiar with WDH's for guidance....., we all went through this learning curve.

As mentioned in an earlier post, it appears your spring bars are angled downward a little to much (needs to be adjusted accordingly), or it's just the angle the photo was taken from giving that illusion.

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Luckenick1; I would be confused too reading all this stuff. Wonder if camping is getting to be a nightmare to you by now. Don't wait till half April, Go early camping and leave all electronics home your kids will enjoy it. Don't forget hubby, an assistant is always handy to have. You will built memories we all went through. We are still building memories with the 6mnd old girl from my daughter. Camping you have to learn young.......just like swimming.
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Your truck has a weight carrying capacity on the receiver of your truck (square part that your drop shank goes into). It is likely 500lbs.
If the tongue weight of your trailer is over 500lbs you need a WDH. It is not optional. Sway control is optional the weight distribution part is not.

As Rustic Eagle mentioned above a WDH restores weight to your front axle so your vehicle steers properly. Too much tongue weight means not enough weight on your front axle which can create a dangerous situation. A WD hitches purpose is not to adjust the sag of your vehicle. That is a byproduct.

If you tilt your head forward toward your truck but only use the 5 or 6 links under tension then you should get the same weight transfer and a bit more ground clearance. If you can't get enough weight transfer you will need to tilt the head back a bit. At 8 links your setup is not adjusted perfectly yet.

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Your truck has a weight carrying capacity on the receiver of your truck (square part that your drop shank goes into). It is likely 500lbs.
If the tongue weight of your trailer is over 500lbs you need a WDH. It is not optional. Sway control is optional the weight distribution part is not.

As Rustic Eagle mentioned above a WDH restores weight to your front axle so your vehicle steers properly. Too much tongue weight means not enough weight on your front axle which can create a dangerous situation. A WD hitches purpose is not to adjust the sag of your vehicle. That is a byproduct.

If you tilt your head forward toward your truck but only use the 5 or 6 links under tension then you should get the same weight transfer and a bit more ground clearance. If you can't get enough weight transfer you will need to tilt the head back a bit. At 8 links your setup is not adjusted perfectly yet.

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Thanks....yes my tongue weight is 515. I have a hard enough time getting the 2nd link on it I cannot even imagine having to go down one more link. Just the 2nd link alone requires me to jack the back end of my truck up so high to relieve the tension enough for me to hook that link on to the little hook then I use the metal rod to lock it up into place. The back end of the spring rods do come down a little they are definitely not level with the tongue. The dealer set this up "unloaded". Never gave me any instructions on how to change it once loaded. I think I will try to find a handy hubby at the campground once I arrive to help make it right. This is all so overwhelming my pop up was easier....ha ha ha ha.
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Be careful not to get the terminology of chain links "hanging free" confused with chain links "under tension", two very different conditions.

Referencing your photos in your original post, you presently have "8 chain links under tension" with 1 chain link hanging free. The instructions for your specific WDH state that: "Readjust degree of tilt on ball mount, if you have more than 5 links of chain hanging free." So based on this statement you meet the manufactures recommendation with your 1 chain link hanging free (but doesn't mean your WDH adjustment is ideal).
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You are right, I was confusing the two. Thank you!
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Thanks....yes my tongue weight is 515. I have a hard enough time getting the 2nd link on it I cannot even imagine having to go down one more link. Just the 2nd link alone requires me to jack the back end of my truck up so high to relieve the tension enough for me to hook that link on to the little hook then I use the metal rod to lock it up into place. The back end of the spring rods do come down a little they are definitely not level with the tongue. The dealer set this up "unloaded". Never gave me any instructions on how to change it once loaded. I think I will try to find a handy hubby at the campground once I arrive to help make it right. This is all so overwhelming my pop up was easier....ha ha ha ha.
Yes but if you tilt the head you should be able to get the 5th or 6th link on with the same amount of tension as you currently need and this will operate the same as it is now with the ends of the bars and inch or two higher. More clearance.

Or just live with them dragging once in a while. My Blue Ox bar ends have hit the ground a few times as well.
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Old 03-11-2016, 06:16 AM   #47
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Yes but if you tilt the head you should be able to get the 5th or 6th link on with the same amount of tension as you currently need and this will operate the same as it is now with the ends of the bars and inch or two higher. More clearance.

Or just live with them dragging once in a while. My Blue Ox bar ends have hit the ground a few times as well.
Well that is definitely worth a try then. Now I need to find the right tools and big muscles to tilt it.
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Thanks....yes my tongue weight is 515. I have a hard enough time getting the 2nd link on it I cannot even imagine having to go down one more link. Just the 2nd link alone requires me to jack the back end of my truck up so high to relieve the tension enough for me to hook that link on to the little hook then I use the metal rod to lock it up into place. The back end of the spring rods do come down a little they are definitely not level with the tongue. The dealer set this up "unloaded". Never gave me any instructions on how to change it once loaded. I think I will try to find a handy hubby at the campground once I arrive to help make it right. This is all so overwhelming my pop up was easier....ha ha ha ha.
But is that 515lb tw the manufactures "brochure" weight? If so, that does not even include the weight of the propane tank(s) or a battery on the tongue.

To change the hitch head tilt you do need some large sockets/ wrenches. I ended up buying a 3/4" drive breaker bar and socket to make it easier to adjust my hitch. Make sure you get everything properly tightened if you do adjust it.

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Very nice combo you have. We got a nice clean 2005 Jay Feather LTG 29Y a couple of weeks ago and still working on all the mods. We went from a 2012 Jay Flight 198RD which was a bit small. We had bigger units over the years but thought to smaller, no that didn't work for us.

My first mod would be grind off the low end coupler and replace it with a one on the top. The Jay Feathers can be pulled with SUV's that's why they must have that coupler so low unless there was a sale on them. But that's beside the point. You have a truck and they should have used the bolt on couplers like they did on the Jay Feathers in 2005 era.

First of all with connecting or disconnecting the TT from the TV is chocks behind and on front of the TT wheels both sides. "Never forget this"

On the picture it look like the bars are a bit low they should be parallel with the frame. Maybe the picture is deceiving because of the angle it is taken. So you might have to tilt your ball head a bit forward. And since it is low GVWR you don't have to transfer much to the TV front unless the springs in the back squat to much. To change that situation I would install air shocks or Air Lift 1000 in the springs. Depends on what type of springs Toyota uses.

Did you get your battery all sorted out?

I showed a pic of my set up to the hitch place that is re wiring my battery charger to the plug. Anyhow...they said I could bolt a coupler to the top of the frame and then just cut the lower one off? Does that sound safe that it would be just bolted on and not welded? Also, he said by having the coupler undermounted it is creating more tension and will wear the coupler out pretty quick. Yikes.....
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snip........ Anyhow...they said I could bolt a coupler to the top of the frame and then just cut the lower one off? Does that sound safe that it would be just bolted on and not welded? Also, he said by having the coupler undermounted it is creating more tension and will wear the coupler out pretty quick. Yikes.....
IMO the technician is leading you in the wrong direction on the subject of a bolt-on coupler. A bolt-on coupler will not give you anywhere near the integrity that a welded top or bottom mount coupler will. No, a bottom mount coupler doesn't create "more tension" and increase coupler wear.

IMO if your not satisfied with the ground clearance your round bar WDH provides once it's properly adjusted, then consider going with a trunnion bar WDH to gain ground clearance.

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