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Old 09-08-2012, 06:07 PM   #1
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Jay Flight 25bhs and F150 Crew Cab

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I'm looking at a Ford Ecoboost Crew Cab -- a local dealer has a pretty good deal on a 2012 4x2 that he wants to get rid of. I will be taking delivery of a 2013 25bhs within the next two weeks. I'm not sure that the F150 can handle it. Ford claims 11,300 towing capacity, but only 2000 lbs. of payload. Sounds good, until I start looking at the specs of my trailer -- dry weight of 5770 GVWR of 8180, dry tonge weight of 775. However, every one I've seen on the lots and web show a true dry weight once equipped around 6300 -- almost 600 pounds heavier, theoretically taking the tongue weight to about 850. I'm worried that with my 600 pounds of human cargo (only going to go up as my boys are 4 & 6), and a heavily loaded trailer that I'll exceed the payload capacity of the truck if I put ANYthing at all in the bed. We do a lot of longer trips, we're looking at a 3 week, 1450 mile round trip to Maine & New Hampshire next summer and I don't want any problems.

Should I stick with a 3/4 ton truck, or will the F150 be OK?
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Old 09-08-2012, 07:38 PM   #2
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I have a 2011 F150 ecoboost. I looked at the 25BHS also. But agree with your overeall assessment of weights we settled for the 26BH Jayflight. The truck pulls the TT without any problems and has plenty of power. Don't expect any really better gas milage from the ecoboost when towing. Don't get me wrong it is not the capability of the truck...lots of power, the primary issue is the aerodynamics of the trailer and of course the weight of the trailer. If you are dead set on the 25BHS, in my opinion, I would go with the 3/4 ton truck.
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Old 09-08-2012, 09:04 PM   #3
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snip...... However, every one I've seen on the lots and web show a true dry weight once equipped around 6300 -- almost 600 pounds heavier, theoretically taking the tongue weight to about 850.....snip
geosci,

Smart move looking closely at your potential TV & TT weights, some folks over look this important part of creating a compatible marriage between a TV and TT.

Your correct that a TT's Dry Weight is not representative of the TT's weight when sitting on the dealer's lot. The actual "Ship" Weight is of more value, and in the case of the 25BHS it's approximately 6,300lbs per your findings. Add in another 800lbs of TT cargo (not including any fresh water tank weight) for a family of four and the TT loaded weight is at 7,100lbs. Ideally the loaded tongue weight should be 13% to 15% of the loaded TT weight, thus a 923lbs to 1,065lbs loaded tongue weight. Based on your post, sounds like the loaded weights may increase a little.

Your correct again taking into consideration the impact of the loaded tongue weight on the TV's published 2,000lb payload capacity, because in the prior loaded TT weight example it cuts the usable payload in half.

Can the TV in question tow the 25BHS, IMO it can but you would have to be very diligent in insuring that the TT's loaded weights, TV's cargo and passenger weights don't exceed the TV's weight capacities...., which means becoming a friend with the attended at a local CAT scale.

You know your loading habits better than anyone, but I sense from your post that a TV with a higher payload capacity may be better suited for your future travel plans.

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Old 09-09-2012, 07:33 AM   #4
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I'm running a 2011 supercrew 4x4 ecoboost. I tow a 2012 jayco 33rlds with no issues. I am legal in all weights as I adjust my load and hitch setting based on cat weigh scales. My axle, tongue and payload weights are all legal. Keep in mind that a supercrew 4x4 can tow a bit more than a 2wd cab. Using a wdh increases your tongue weight as well. if you take the time to do the numbers you may be ok. My total gcvw is 16100 and the ecoboost has way more than enough power. I have towed 5000kms this summer and all is good and no sway issues. My tongue and axle weights are under the max numbers from ford.

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I'm running a 2011 supercrew 4x4 ecoboost. I tow a 2012 jayco 33rlds with no issues......snip
It sounds like you have the F-150 EcoBoost with the Maximum Tow Package, which I believe provides around 2,600lbs of payload capacity (or more).

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Keep in mind that a supercrew 4x4 can tow a bit more than a 2wd cab.
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Sorry, just not the case. The 4X4 has alot of more weight because of transfer case and differentials. The towing capacity of 4X4 trucks is always lower than that of a comparably equipped 4X2. Your owners manual should reflect this also.
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Sorry, just not the case. The 4X4 has alot of more weight because of transfer case and differentials. The towing capacity of 4X4 trucks is always lower than that of a comparably equipped 4X2. Your owners manual should reflect this also.
Actually if you look at the charts that isn't the case. The 2wd with max towing package has the same GVCW (17100) as a supercrew 4x4 with max towing package as according to Fords charts. Keep in mind the length of box, diff ratios etc. See the attach below. Cheers

http://www.ford.com/resources/ford/g..._F150nov18.pdf
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Thanks for the info! I've been continuing to research, and I think I'm more confused than when I started. I found this document - thanks RaveOn for the 2011 version:

https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas...FLRVTT_gde.pdf

According to Ford, the 4x2 SCrew with Ecoboost, 3.73, & max tow has GCWR of 17K. Ford defines this as the "maximum allowable combined weight of vehicle, trailer, and cargo (including passengers)." My trailer has a GVWR of 8180. Dry curb weight of the truck is about 5700, but lets assume 6500 with options. 17000-6500=10500, leaving 2320# for people and other stuff. However, payload capacity is 2060#. Based on payload, it's not enough truck. However, GCWR makes it look like plenty of truck.

Which is the right one to go by? I have a 1200# Reese DC wdh. My next door neighbor is a retired mechanic, and he says go by GCWR as the wdh spreads the tongue weight out over both axles, rather than just the rear. He claims that tongue weight only counts as part of payload when there is no wdh. However, he is not a trailer guy.
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snip....... He claims that tongue weight only counts as part of payload when there is no wdh......snip
Not true.

Once the loaded TT tongue weight is placed on the TV receiver's hitch ball, for the most part almost 100% of the tongue weight will always remain on the hitch ball (doesn't change, constant), with or without the WDH. When using a WDH, it actually distributes the weight that has been placed on the TV's rear axle as a result of the weight placed on the hitch ball. Weight is removed from the TV's rear axle thus distributed to the TV's front suspension and TT axle(s). It is true that "some" of the weight that is being distributed by the WDH from the TV's rear axle will be transfered to the TT's axle(s), and it may equate to 15% - 20% of the original tongue weight (depends on the particular TV/TT combination).

The distance between a TV's rear axle and hitch ball, suspension, etc., will determine the degree of effect the TT tongue weight has on a TV's rear axle. This is why I mentioned in my earlier post that only a CAT scale will tell you how much weight has been distributed, where, and the impact to your TV's limited payload capacity, and GVWR.

In respect to a TV's GCWR, the combined loaded weights of the TV and TT shouldn't exceed the specified GCWR.., but in the same breath the TV shouldn't exceed it's specified payload capacity and/or GVWR. Again, this is where a CAT scale provides all the weight information one would need confirm all the TV and TT weight limits.

Your correct that with most 1/2 ton trucks the GCWR (or tow ratings) make it appear that they may be a towing machine, but limited payload capacities is the limiting factor in these same cases.

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Thanks for the info! I've been continuing to research, and I think I'm more confused than when I started. I found this document - thanks RaveOn for the 2011 version:

https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas...FLRVTT_gde.pdf

According to Ford, the 4x2 SCrew with Ecoboost, 3.73, & max tow has GCWR of 17K. Ford defines this as the "maximum allowable combined weight of vehicle, trailer, and cargo (including passengers)." My trailer has a GVWR of 8180. Dry curb weight of the truck is about 5700, but lets assume 6500 with options. 17000-6500=10500, leaving 2320# for people and other stuff. However, payload capacity is 2060#. Based on payload, it's not enough truck. However, GCWR makes it look like plenty of truck.

Which is the right one to go by? I have a 1200# Reese DC wdh. My next door neighbor is a retired mechanic, and he says go by GCWR as the wdh spreads the tongue weight out over both axles, rather than just the rear. He claims that tongue weight only counts as part of payload when there is no wdh. However, he is not a trailer guy.
I'm not sure what the 2wd would weight wet but I can tell you that my supercrew 4x4 filled with gas with my wife and I in it on the scales is 6140#.

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