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Old 07-12-2015, 04:00 PM   #91
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This has been an informative and entertaining thread, but in my opinion, it's morphed into....

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Old 07-12-2015, 04:19 PM   #92
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I have owned a popup, Hybrid, and now a TT with 30A electric connections since 2007. I am certain we have more than 100 nights in 15+ state parks, as well as a few KOA like establishments. I'm not sure that I could tell what a worn out 30A receptacle would look or feel like. Can you provide some guidance?
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It feels loose when you plug it in. It will get hot enough to melt the rubber around the conductor plugs, even if you are not exceeding the current capacity.

If it feels hot or even real warm and you have no other alternative get the CG maintenance to assign a new site.
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I personally have not seen one where you could visually tell it was bad, although I have read quite a few reviews and posts where people have seen them visually burnt/melted. The ones I have encountered are by feel. The Male plug should fit snugly into the receptacle. If it fits like a hotdog in a hallway, that is not good. One example I had on a recent trip was to plug it in (took NO force) and when I let it go, it literally fell out. I could slide it in and out of the recep with a couple of ounces of force. The only way I could have kept it plugged in would have been to put foam or something behind it and shut the door over it!

Best thing I could suggest, is go to Home Depot, Lowes, ACE, etc., and pick up a male 30A and the corresponding female Recep plug and try them. That is how a good connection feels!!!
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This thread is skating close to being closed due to the contentious back and forth arguments. If the tone does not de-escalate it will be closed.
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Old 07-12-2015, 05:23 PM   #96
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I personally have not seen one where you could visually tell it was bad, although I have read quite a few reviews and posts where people have seen them visually burnt/melted. The ones I have encountered are by feel. The Male plug should fit snugly into the receptacle. If it fits like a hotdog in a hallway, that is not good. One example I had on a recent trip was to plug it in (took NO force) and when I let it go, it literally fell out. I could slide it in and out of the recep with a couple of ounces of force. The only way I could have kept it plugged in would have been to put foam or something behind it and shut the door over it!

Best thing I could suggest, is go to Home Depot, Lowes, ACE, etc., and pick up a male 30A and the corresponding female Recep plug and try them. That is how a good connection feels!!!
But the second time you use it, it will become "looser" . It is little different than any standard plug in your home...shouldn't have to fight it to get it to plug in. Yes it should stay by itself...I have experienced more bad plugs, than bad receptacles...
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I have owned a popup, Hybrid, and now a TT with 30A electric connections since 2007. I am certain we have more than 100 nights in 15+ state parks, as well as a few KOA like establishments. I'm not sure that I could tell what a worn out 30A receptacle would look or feel like. Can you provide some guidance?
It is really a non issue in my opinion. I have RVed for about 50 years on an off...for the last 7 about 6 months a year.. I don't ever remember having an issue with a receptacle. In the campgrounds I have worked at I could count on one finger the bad receptacles we have had to change...and it was from abuse by a guest (he admitted).

Much more likely is a 50 amp rig will have to use a 30 amp site, as, 50 amp sites are far less available than 30 amp sites.

To be honest, I don't even carry a 50 amp dog bone...never needed it never will. I would plug into a 20 amp receptacle before I would need a 50 amp plug... Also, #10 wire is only rated for 30 amps...nothing will change that.

I suggest going by what your RV manufacturer recommends. Use the proper plug, in that rare situation where a receptacle may be bad, then have the campground repair it or switch you to a different site. I have seen many more bad plugs, than bad receptacles...
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Wags999, You have a lot of experience, so in your opinion, what causes all of the bad plugs?
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I think the "blame" for "bad" receptacles is split between guest abuse and poor maintenance on the campgrounds part. Guests will plug in their RV with the breakers on, which can cause arcing, which causes pitting on both the plug and receptacles. Also pulling plugs out by the cord, which can break the outer portion of the plug. Poorly maintained cords with bent or pitted plugs all can cause issues.


Add to that, campgrounds that do not have a maintenance schedule of inspections of the plugs, spigots, cable connections, sewer connections etc., all add to the slow decline of acceptable connections.


Contrary to what many may believe campgrounds as a whole are not huge money makers..Not many are aware that a campground may have to pay (local laws) a monthly fee just to have a sewer connection, even if it never gets used. Multiply that by the number of sites, and 12 months a year ( even tho the campground may only be open 6 months) and it's a big cost. Some communities actually charge a per guest "service fee" which is part of the cost of the CG. Pools are very expensive to not only build but to maintain. These pools are not your home pool and cost well into 6 figures to build, and thousands to maintain.


As with many of us, preventative maintenance is something that can be delayed...even tho is just costs more down the road. Not unlike what we may do on our own rig...why replace the plug, it can make it another year. We can all see ourselves in these situations.


So Tim I guess it's no "Ones" fault and yet "Everyone's fault" that their are issues with not only Electric but water, sewers, cable TV etc. Too many people feel they have no part in helping to maintain a campground. They do things to a CG that they would never do to their own property. Treat a CG as you would your own property. If you see a problem, report it to management..If they don't take care of the issue then why go back?


You would be shocked at some of the things guest will do to a CG, things they never would do at home. All these cost money, which, obviously has to come from you the guest. Only government can lose money on every transaction and still survive. By taxing everyone more. Public campgrounds can charge much less in part because they pay no taxes, be it real estate, income, personal property etc. They also have other sources of income other than the CG.. Also, their is no cost to obtain the property to build the CG, since it is often part of a larger park.


Hope I have not rambled too much, and that I was able to answer the original question somewhat.
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Very well said! Also, excellent point with plugging in with breakers on! Most of the times I arrive at a park, ALL of the breakers in the pedestal are ON. I kill them all, plug in, and then switch on just the breaker/s I need. Then, when I am leaving, I kill the breakers, and THEN unplug! Not following this procedure is an excellent candidate for damaging Plugs and Sockets, and either becomes a vicious cycle for the rest.
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