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Old 01-27-2016, 12:26 PM   #11
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Note: mentally the wife is in the keep the house and travel for 2 months thought process. We also plan to rent to give her some on the road experience in a mh first. Like me she wants to travel slowly and explore in place. I am also aware that the ease of unhooking a 5th, the improved roadability of the fifth, and the automatic leveling makes the set up and take down much easier these days.

We also plan to spend some time in France in September this year so we are taking our intl travel plans into consideration as well.
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Old 01-27-2016, 12:37 PM   #12
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"once you exceed 10k GVW in a towable, our lovely state requires you to have a non-commercial Class A DL."

Thats ok with me and I have costed out some of the driving schools.

"would be extremely confident whatever you end up with your wife is comfortable driving just in case." Yes, agreed, for many reasons.

"I see\have seen a lot of Class A and 5th wheel owner snobbyness over the years."
No question that for some owners, status and first impressions are important. Not sure it matters though, since basically if what one does, doesn't prevent another for doing what they want, its irrelevant.

Regardless, quality costs, and tends to weigh up, and unfortunately owners suffer at all levels of quality. Having spent 3+ months hands on at an RV rental company, I'm not willing to drive/own what we referred to as "cxxx," which basically comes with the entry level classification.

"If it exceeds the payload capacity of my truck alone, I do not want to haul it any more."
Yes, which is why it is often recommended to chose your 5th or tt, and then your truck, and to buy heavier duty than you need for a safety margin. I'm not about to suggest I personally won't exceed my capabilities, which is why I have really looked hard at the B and B+ class as there are a number of experienced RV owners that have downsized for very good reasons, which is another reason for keeping the house for "that day."

Let's not forget, one can hire a hauler, one can rent a car, etc.
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Old 01-27-2016, 12:57 PM   #13
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Wow, way to much over thinking for me. But I've had two TTs and now a 5th wheel so I'm fairly versed in the nuisance of each. I'm just not sure why the jumping all over between RV types. If you're going full time then just get the best you can afford and quite reading about what others are doing. Your head will be spinning forever trying to decide whether what others like is what you'd like. If you're going to stay in one spot for any length of time, meaning a month or more then buy all means go 5th wheel. Much more bang for the buck with a 5th than a MH. More room inside and way, way more floorplan options. Forget about TTs. You'll never find a TT that you'd have the same storage and convenience that a 5er will have. Let alone the build quality. Get the biggest baddest truck as well. Full time living is serious stuff where too much compromising can bring on disappointment sooner.
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Old 01-27-2016, 01:24 PM   #14
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goducks,
I never said I was going full time. For you it is overthinking or spinning - for me it is doing my due diligence and research.

I will, however, agree if you classify me as an odd duck...actually would be a compliment.

I have yet to meet someone who went through the technical service and inspector training, and worked full time, albeit for only 3.5 months - just enough to get what I determined was sufficient hands on, before buying my next RV. What I was younger I had a truck with a camper. And currently I regularly do extended warranty inspections of mhs.

And, I want my wife very involved with the process and no I have not determined what the balance between rv and international travel will be. In fact, I can travel a lot on 80 to 120K without an RV.

I agree with "If you're going to stay in one spot for any length of time, meaning a month or more then buy all means go 5th wheel. Much more bang for the buck with a 5th than a MH. More room inside and way, way more floorplan options. Forget about TTs. You'll never find a TT that you'd have the same storage and convenience that a 5er will have. Let alone the build quality. Get the biggest baddest truck as well. Full time living is serious stuff where too much compromising can bring on disappointment sooner."

No hurry for me as I have plenty of options in Northern Cal that can be done in a day with my top down in my Mercedes and I'm retired and have lots of cash and I'm very relaxed about it all.
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Old 01-27-2016, 02:11 PM   #15
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snip... Secondly, before you plunk down your cash, I would be extremely confident whatever you end up with your wife is comfortable driving just in case.

My wife's ability to drive our combination was not something we gave much thought too. That is until we were camping and a neighboring camper broke his leg, couldn't drive, and it was up to his wife to get them home. She was extremely nervous, so much so we drove them out of the CG and to the highway so she didn't have to negotiate the tight roads her first time towing. Before our next trip, DW and I went to an open lot and let her get some practice, then she drove both ways on the following trip (including spotting the trailer) just so she could prove to both of us she can handle it should an incident require it.

Again, just my thoughts.
We lived this one first hand, so I couldn't agree more with Clubhouse on this one. DW and I were camping last year, and I hurt my back on the last day of the trip right after I finished flushing the waste tanks (full hookup site). I literally couldn't move without causing enough pain that I almost blacked out a few times. I made it over to the picnic table and collected my self enough to call her from my cell phone to come out and help me (she was inside bebopping to the radio stowing the inside stuff and taking care of the boy).

So she had her trial by fire that day, and she came out great. I was still able to speak, so I had to walk her through some of the tasks. And it took me an hour to straighten out all my cords and hoses after (well maybe not quite that long), but she did fine overall. She had an easier time largely because I had recently upgraded my truck which made the WHOLE process A LOT easier on her. Our previous rig was maxed out and took a lot of effort to handle out on the road; new rig has plenty of capacity, so it's a LOT easier to handle.

Afterwards she says to me "that wasn't so hard, I don't know what the big deal is." After I got done rolling my eyes, I had to remind her that it could have easily gone differently, and that she was lucky this time. We are lucky to have the bigger truck now because it's easy to tow with, but more importantly, the excess capacity helps to create a better safety margin when things don't go right.
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Old 01-27-2016, 03:23 PM   #16
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"the excess capacity helps to create a better safety margin when things don't go right."

I would add that extra quality often means less headaches. After my brief stint as an RV rental service technician and now doing RV inspections...when I walk into an RV, I tend to see it differently than most prospective buyers, which is why a used unit doesn't phase me...I see potential problems and potentially what it could be and what it will never be.

At the RV dealership we visited, before I even got into one new RV I saw some water damage near the door. As a couple left, they overheard me mention it to my wife, and they returned and asked me what I was looking at. They said, oh, you are right, we didn't see that.

For the moment, my wife, like them, just sees the dream...no problem I have my own job. I have three thick binders of photos (and explanations) of RV inspection issues discovered that is used to train inspectors. Just a fantastic resource. Once you have slowly gone through that, your eyes really see things differently.
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Old 01-27-2016, 03:37 PM   #17
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By the way, got a call on that Blackstone I started this thread on. Dealer said he is willing to sell it to me for 40K. No, not gonna buy it, but he hit the 40% mark. So, guess it still really is pre-season after all.
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Old 01-29-2016, 09:22 PM   #18
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RodgerS: once again my opinion. TT's will have way less storage and if you plan on spending any time out it will become important as the list of I need things will grow, thus storage needs. The 5W will have way more storage and there are many quality used units. As OP stated there's no comparison in suspension, etc. TT vs 5W. I found my "used" 5W for 20K under new list less than a year old, used 3 times and still smelled new. You are close to AZ take along weekend and take a look at all the used units across the line, that's where I'll get my next one. Size the TV to the 5W you like (won't get that going again) Glad you considered a truck as a driver.
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Old 01-29-2016, 09:50 PM   #19
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"Glad you considered a truck as a driver."

Actually, some would say I overthink things and need to get off the dime, but the best ideas have bubbled up the last few months and it took a bit for me to break from my focus on a dpmh or Seneca. But I think the wife and you both made some good points, and many others herein helped as well.

There are enough $$ in the budget to buy a new truck and a gently used DRV (or a new Pinnacle) if I decide to go that route. I may not full time, but I spent too much time with the entry level cxxx at the RV rental, to buy similar memories or things that remind me of what I worked on.
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