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Old 11-10-2015, 05:44 PM   #31
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I`m pulling the same weight trailer (5500 dry about 6500 loaded) with a 12 yr old 2500 gasser. Does the job. And today`s gassers have more power and torque then mine. My conclusion is no you do not need a diesel.

My camper is probably 14,000 pounds loaded. I'm pulling it with a 20 year old one ton Chevy with a 454. It does fine. My wife works at a Dodge dealership. The service manager there tells me the 6.4 Ram will run circles around my truck.
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My camper is probably 14,000 pounds loaded. I'm pulling it with a 20 year old one ton Chevy with a 454. It does fine. My wife works at a Dodge dealership. The service manager there tells me the 6.4 Ram will run circles around my truck.
Until you hit the Rockies and the infamous gear hold feature kicks in, then the 6.4 becomes a dog. I chose the Ecoboost over the 6.4 for this reason.

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Old 11-10-2015, 10:53 PM   #33
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I feel I'm educated now when it comes to buying my next truck.
- I don't need diesel.
- towing 5500+1000 cargo/passengers a 1/2 ton gasser is enough if it's Max'd - can tow 10-12000 lbs.
- still got 1 eye in a lightly used 3/4 2500/250 should one come on market- I can wait.
-even tho I'm saying no diesel, the new Titan xd 5l diesel coming on market intrigues me-see what that does in real-world.
- don't understand fords beefier Eco-engine-if towing drops to under 10mpg towing, what's Eco about it.
-I won't trade apples for apples. Various dealers I called suggested TT's that can tow 8+k. I will trade up to moderate overkill w a 20/12k max.
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Until you hit the Rockies and the infamous gear hold feature kicks in, then the 6.4 becomes a dog. I chose the Ecoboost over the 6.4 for this reason.

There is no "infamous gear hold feature"; that is a chosen input by the driver. The driver in that test chose not to manage his gearing and engaged the manual shift function without actually using it.

The RAM with 6.4 is a formidable beast all around and a VERY capable truck.

And, say what you will, but your Ecoboost doesn't have 3K in payload capacity.
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There is no "infamous gear hold feature"; that is a chosen input by the driver. The driver in that test chose not to manage his gearing and engaged the manual shift function without actually using it.

The RAM with 6.4 is a formidable beast all around and a VERY capable truck.

And, say what you will, but your Ecoboost doesn't have 3K in payload capacity.
1) I can show you the article directly from Ram stating there is a gear hold feature built into the tuning. Under heavy load the engine de-rates. Look it up, it's real.

2) I never said anything about my truck having a 3,000lb payload. Where did you come up with that?

Having towed with the Ecoboost and the 6.4 I can say with confidence that the 6.4 cannot keep up with an Ecoboost.
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I feel I'm educated now when it comes to buying my next truck.
- I don't need diesel.
- towing 5500+1000 cargo/passengers a 1/2 ton gasser is enough if it's Max'd - can tow 10-12000 lbs.
- still got 1 eye in a lightly used 3/4 2500/250 should one come on market- I can wait.
-even tho I'm saying no diesel, the new Titan xd 5l diesel coming on market intrigues me-see what that does in real-world.
- don't understand fords beefier Eco-engine-if towing drops to under 10mpg towing, what's Eco about it.
-I won't trade apples for apples. Various dealers I called suggested TT's that can tow 8+k. I will trade up to moderate overkill w a 20/12k max.
thx for all the great points-of-view-��
The Eco part of the Ecoboost is that you can get 20+mpg hwy with it. But when you are ready to tow it makes power like a small diesel. None of the V8s on the market can match it's ability to tow, especially at higher elevation.

Mine is a crew cab long bed with 34" tires and I can cruise at 65mph and get 21mpg easy.

All that being said if I could afford it right now I would be in a Ram 2500 Cummins. There just isn't a comparison.
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I feel I'm educated now when it comes to buying my next truck.
- I don't need diesel.
- towing 5500+1000 cargo/passengers a 1/2 ton gasser is enough if it's Max'd - can tow 10-12000 lbs.
- still got 1 eye in a lightly used 3/4 2500/250 should one come on market- I can wait.
-even tho I'm saying no diesel, the new Titan xd 5l diesel coming on market intrigues me-see what that does in real-world.
- don't understand fords beefier Eco-engine-if towing drops to under 10mpg towing, what's Eco about it.
-I won't trade apples for apples. Various dealers I called suggested TT's that can tow 8+k. I will trade up to moderate overkill w a 20/12k max.
thx for all the great points-of-view-��
I agree with you. My trailer is a little heavier with all the gear and stuff, but I still tow with a half ton. I did add a Hellwig assist springs in the rear, sway bar, and I upgraded my hitch setup to a WDH....Doing just fine.
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Something to keep in mind. A 4.10 rear end will handle about 3,000 lbs over a 3.73. Some cases its hard to find a older veh with a 4.10. For about $1k you can have a 410 rear end installed, and they will reprogram the truck to accept it.
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blderman what did you really proof? To me it didn't proof anything except a noisy Ford.
I have had more Fords in my life than any other make I just was happy with the product and did what I expected from the vehicles. After I bought a couple of Ford Aerostar's I lost my faith in Ford. I drove the Ford Screw and for some reason I wasn't sure of that truck. So went shopping to the Dodge, liked the 1/2 truck with the 5.7 HEMI and it does what I expect from it.
I not expect it to go 75 mph on a long incline pass, I'm not into truck racing. If the Ford wants to pass me fine, If Toyota and Chevy wants to pass me fine. As long I have comfort in driving my combo and it does the job I'm happy. Next time I go shopping it might be a Ford again or maybe a Chevy or Toyota. We all make our own choices by information we get and short through. Also I'm looking at the dollars and sense.


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1) I can show you the article directly from Ram stating there is a gear hold feature built into the tuning. Under heavy load the engine de-rates. Look it up, it's real.

2) I never said anything about my truck having a 3,000lb payload. Where did you come up with that?

Having towed with the Ecoboost and the 6.4 I can say with confidence that the 6.4 cannot keep up with an Ecoboost.
IIRC, in that test, he punched the manual shift so he could see what gear he was in, which to my understanding changes the shift programming (ERS Mode according to the manual). Perhaps I'm wrong. Either way though, if the RAM is protecting itself from blowing up by racing up a hill, I'm really okay with that. I don't need to be first to the top, so long as I get there safe every time.

My Ram with 6.4 has 3K payload; no readily available EcoBoost powered truck has that capacity. An ecoboost might beat me up the hill a few times yanking IT'S max load, but it will not "run circles" day in and day out hauling the RAM's max load. Plus, a 3/4 ton truck is designed to work that hard every day of its life.

My point: Max out the Ford, then put that load on the RAM (which will be under it's max) and put them next to eachother and run them. Then run them like that every day. My bet is the RAM will come out on top in the end.

Don't get me wrong, the EcoBoost is a fine motor, very capable. But it's still a 1/2T class truck. AND the heavy duty RAM with 6.4 is no slouch either.
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