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Old 09-11-2014, 09:56 AM   #51
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As for the comments re higher maintenance costs on a diesel I would disagree. My oil changes (every 20,000 kms) cost me $55 in my driveway and takes approx 30 minutes, fuel filters (every 40,000 kms) are about $20 and approx 5 minutes.
Maintenance is more than oil changes. Brakes, tires, struts, shocks, etc. The more heavy duty you go, the more expensive the parts. That's not bad, it just is. I'm not bashing it. I'd love to own a 3/4 or 1 ton diesel. But no one can convince me that owning one doesn't cost much more than a 1/2 ton gasser. Now if you're comparing a 3/4 gasser to a 3/4 diesel I wouldn't argue. But I believe the OP was trying to compare 1/2 ton platform to 3/4 diesel.
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Old 09-11-2014, 10:03 AM   #52
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I do find diesel maintenance to be more expensive. 13 quarts of oil and a $20 filter. Granted I change mine more than I need to. Also, a fuel filter pack costs about $120 just for the filters and I change them every 15k. I imagine some diesels are cheaper but for me it isn't. It's not much more cost but I wouldn't trade my truck for anything else so it's not a problem.
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Maintenance is more than oil changes. Brakes, tires, struts, shocks, etc. The more heavy duty you go, the more expensive the parts. That's not bad, it just is. I'm not bashing it. I'd love to own a 3/4 or 1 ton diesel. But no one can convince me that owning one doesn't cost much more than a 1/2 ton gasser. Now if you're comparing a 3/4 gasser to a 3/4 diesel I wouldn't argue. But I believe the OP was trying to compare 1/2 ton platform to 3/4 diesel.
Apples to oranges, but your last sentence is correct. But gassers are IMHO unnecessarily expensive to maintain. Check into the cost to replace eight sparkplugs in Ford's 5.4! DIY? The tool's $200!
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Old 09-11-2014, 10:30 AM   #54
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Apples to oranges, but your last sentence is correct. But gassers are IMHO unnecessarily expensive to maintain. Check into the cost to replace eight sparkplugs in Ford's 5.4! DIY? The tool's $200!
I almost bought a Ford. This makes me glad I got a GM instead.
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Old 09-11-2014, 10:43 AM   #55
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Maintenance is more than oil changes. Brakes, tires, struts, shocks, etc. The more heavy duty you go, the more expensive the parts. That's not bad, it just is. I'm not bashing it. I'd love to own a 3/4 or 1 ton diesel. But no one can convince me that owning one doesn't cost much more than a 1/2 ton gasser. Now if you're comparing a 3/4 gasser to a 3/4 diesel I wouldn't argue. But I believe the OP was trying to compare 1/2 ton platform to 3/4 diesel.
Agreed, but i'm just saying that the diesel engine is not insane expensive to maintain. Of course heavier parts are more money but like you say that's part of having a HD truck. FWIW 6 tires run me about $1200 (CDN) and i get between 120-140,000 kms.
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Old 09-11-2014, 10:51 AM   #56
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On the flip side, maintenance is more expensive - about $100 per oil change and $175 or so for a fuel filter change ( I do it every 15k).
Holy crap! It costs me about $65 to do my own oil change, and the fuel filter costs $35 and about 20 minutes to change.


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I can't comment on diesel vs gas other than to say that maintenance costs will be higher, no matter what the diesel proponents try to tell you.
I'm a diesel owner as well as your diesel proponent. I also used to own only gassers. The cost difference is 2 1/2 gallons per oil change vs 5 quarts, and a $35 fuel filter once a year. So I guess technically, you are correct. Other than that, I haven't spent any more on maintenance on my diesels than I did on my gassers.

For the diesel vs gas for towing argument, I will say that I would keep pulling with my diesel even if I went back to my old pop up trailer. It's just that much nicer to drive and pull with. Can't imagine ever towing with a gasser again, much less a 6 cylinder ego boost.
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I think what we have to realize is the great thing about living here in North America is we can choose what vehicle we want, just like what RV we want, then personalize it to our taste. Everyone will want or need something a bit different. Some will only buy a Ford, some a Chevy and so on. Some will only buy a diesel no matter what weights are involved, because that`s what they want. Some want/ need the added torque, power, engine braking and longevity that only a diesel will provide. Some don`t care one way or the other.

A few thoughts on gas or diesel.

Firstly I must disclaim that I have been slightly biased against diesels from earlier years when I worked on diesel powered boats. Nothing quite like the smell of 30 diesel engines running in a harbor warming up to go out on a calm morning with nowhere for the fumes to go. I can still smell them.
Then there`s the roar of the drystack GM 871`s and 1271`s. I think I can still hear them ringing in my ears.

The gas engines today last a long time with proper care, and are more powerful then ever. I`ve owned a gas powered pickup truck of some description since 1979 and have never had a major engine repair expense or internal engine failure. The gas trucks of today will do well in many towing applications. Gas engines will generally get worse towing MPG then their diesel counterparts.

That being said,
Should the need arise, I would buy a diesel truck and probably will someday to accommodate a larger RV. Just can`t tow the big ones with a gasser, and I would not want to try. The extra maintanance would not be a consideration, its not that much as others have stated. The thought of a major repair expense post warranty would be a bigger concern for me, as you can get leveled with a big repair bill on a diesel and I have some relatives and friends that have experienced that nightmare. But then again many go 300 or 400K miles without a problem.... And the discussion goes on...
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holy crap! It costs me about $65 to do my own oil change, and the fuel filter costs $35 and about 20 minutes to change.



I'm a diesel owner as well as your diesel proponent. I also used to own only gassers. The cost difference is 2 1/2 gallons per oil change vs 5 quarts, and a $35 fuel filter once a year. So i guess technically, you are correct. Other than that, i haven't spent any more on maintenance on my diesels than i did on my gassers.

For the diesel vs gas for towing argument, i will say that i would keep pulling with my diesel even if i went back to my old pop up trailer. It's just that much nicer to drive and pull with. Can't imagine ever towing with a gasser again, much less a 6 cylinder ego boost.
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I've had both and a diesel is the way to go. Better mileage, towing or not, rarely downshifts when towing. Makes towing a 31 foot, 8000 lb trailer a breeze.
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Didn't read all of the replies, but it comes down to how you plan to use the vehicle. In our application, the vehicle is a daily driver that I drive to work 5 miles each way on suburban roads. It's also the family car, with 4 kids and a necessary third row. It's used to tow our 4500-lbs X23B maybe 6-7 times a year, with 1 "long" trip annually. That being the case, the gasser SUV fits our lifestyle and needs; I've never owned a diesel but have read that they're not the best choice for those with daily short-distance drives, so it wouldn't fit our needs.... We'll eventually upgrade to a newer gasser SUV with more tow capacity, but in the meantime, we enjoy not having the car payment.
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