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Old 11-12-2015, 08:54 PM   #1
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Tow Vehicle Surprise.

I recently bought our 26BH. The original plan was to pull it with our 2015 Explorer sport. There were lengthy discussions of weights and suitability around here. The little Explorer pulled the TT like a champ, it really did. But a trip to the scales, and I was right at CGVWR with little cargo and no passengers. DW and I discussed it and I sold my beloved 1995 F 150, and bought a 1996 F-350, with a powerstoke. Problem Solved. Well on paper. The Explorer, hands down, had more pep. I've only pulled about 25 mile to and from the dealer. I was using 5 free links on the WD with the Explorer. I went to the dealer with the F-350 with 3 free links, and it was a tad low at the on the tongue, and felt it bobbing a bit in the back. So on the return trip, I pick up to 4 links hanging. That seemed to make the set up wiggle a bit more. But all in all, it is NOT a night and day difference I expected.
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Old 11-12-2015, 09:01 PM   #2
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Work on getting the WDH set up for the new height TV.
I've always understood that you want a slightly tongue down additude on the trailer versus a tongue up additude.

You should notice a difference as far as power up hills and sway shouldn't exist at all with your new combo.

Good luck and congrats on the new TV!
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I put the trailer level, and the ball is right at the tongue, seem about right? I didn't feel sway going, but I did feel a bit coming. Maybe since the truck has the suspension to carry, I should back down to three links and just tolerate the feel of the weight on the back axle?

The Explorer was a twin turbo V6 with a 6 speed auto. On a hill, it'd just down shift and sing on at 4500 RPM, perfectly content.
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Old 11-12-2015, 09:15 PM   #4
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It sounds like you have the right height if you're level and the tongue lines up well with the ball. One you add the tongue weight the the tv you should be tongue down just right.
I guess the only foolproof way to get the WDH set up perfect is to go to a CAT scale.
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How many miles on the power stroke? I don't know much about fords and your f350 is basically 20 years old, but my '07 Duramax is night and day difference over the 1500 I had. Stinks your experience wasn't better. The '96 may be wore out?
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Old 11-12-2015, 09:21 PM   #6
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I still drive a 7.3 and love the pulling power. The one ton should preform as well as my 3/4 ton. I finally bought a programmer last summer after getting some advice here. Best thing I have done to the TV. Mileage unchanged about 11 towing. Noticeable performance difference towing and less down shifting on hills. I'm on my first tank w/o the trailer and mileage seems up, 300 miles and 1/2 tank, I'll know better when I fuel next.

That 26Bh is 5K or so and I doubt you need the WDH the TV suspension should handle that. My last 5er was about the same weight and I never knew it was there with the 250.
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Old 11-13-2015, 07:08 AM   #7
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How many miles on the power stroke? I don't know much about fords and your f350 is basically 20 years old, but my '07 Duramax is night and day difference over the 1500 I had. Stinks your experience wasn't better. The '96 may be wore out?
I think that is the real deal. I don't think it is terribly worn out. Just vehicles have come a long way in 20 years. A new F-150 has nearly the same trailer and CGVWR of my 1996 F-350. Ford says, 9900# trailer, and 16000# combined. Not saying it doesn't get it done, it certainly does, but props to the little Explorer for keeping pace.

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I still drive a 7.3 and love the pulling power. The one ton should preform as well as my 3/4 ton. I finally bought a programmer last summer after getting some advice here. Best thing I have done to the TV. Mileage unchanged about 11 towing. Noticeable performance difference towing and less down shifting on hills. I'm on my first tank w/o the trailer and mileage seems up, 300 miles and 1/2 tank, I'll know better when I fuel next.

That 26Bh is 5K or so and I doubt you need the WDH the TV suspension should handle that. My last 5er was about the same weight and I never knew it was there with the 250.
I already have the chip. I don't think I would want to pull without it. I'm about to do an open air filter and new 3" downpipe. I think I will back down to 3 links and let the rear axle have more weight. I still want to use it just for the sway control, but I think you are right.
I've pulled more than one 6000# (trailer and car) set ups that had probably 700-800# on the tongue, and no WDH. Only difference is physical size.

I think alot of it with the Explorer was gearing and RPM. With 6 speeds and a turbo V6 it is happy to downshift and sing at 4000-5000 when it needs to. But it is 50% more hp than the F-350 and only about 15% decrease in torque.....
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Is that a naturally aspirated 7.3 or turbo?
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Its a turbo. It is rated at 225 hp and i thing 450 ft/lb . The explorer is 360 hp and 380 ft/lb
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I've noticed my 350 (a turbo 6.7) seems to have a bit of turbo lag but when it catches up, pretty impressive. I towed our little X23B with the 350 when we first bought the truck and discovered the hitch receiver was lower on the 350 than on the previous TV (an '03 Expedition) which was a big surprise. IMHO start with the hitch height and then add a bit WDH. I wouldn't expect the 350 to squat much with the TT hitched so little if any weight transfer would be needed. The TT might benefit from some sway control tho.
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Old 11-13-2015, 11:25 AM   #11
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I would suspect the real advantages in the 350 over the Explorer would be in payload and overall rig stability, especially on windy days and when getting passed by large profile vehicles. That`s where I noticed the difference when moving from a 1500 5.3l to a 2500 6.0. Not so much the power but better command of the rig and road.
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Old 11-13-2015, 01:53 PM   #12
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A stock 1996 PSD is 210 hp and 425 lb torque according to the engine chart in the sales brochure.
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Yea, but that 6.7 is a whole different animal.. I think it's twin turboed?? Just shooting from the hip, like 400 hp and 700 ft/lb...
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But the 7.3 will putt along all day 1900rpm@63mph
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You must have the 4:10's. I was sitting at about 1600rpm at 60. But you are right, just chugging along.
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3.73 but who counting
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ahh, i was thinking the OBS trucks. 3.73 wasn't an option prior to 99 I don't think.

Speaking of, I discovered today, that I have an open diff, really! Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over.
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