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Old 04-25-2011, 03:04 AM   #11
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Welcome, you're asking the right questions. You might want to study tow vehicles a bit more. You want an SUV but not a truck. The true SUV is a truck. The old full size Broncos, the current Expedition, both based on the F150 frame. (Ford discontinued the Excursion). Not sure about Tahoe, whether it's a 1500, but the Suburbans I believe come, or did come in 1500 or 2500 versions. Calling a vehicle based on a mid or small car concept an SUV doesn't make it one. It makes it an illusion. The engines will all pull the weight, but often at the expense of transmission damage. And to steal a phrase of another guy, whoa power is at least as important as go power. You get bigger brakes with the pickup based TVs. You also want to read a bit about what trailer brakes are and aren't. Wheel base and track width of a TV only become important when you get into trouble, say in an emergency maneuver. Read all you can on towing. I'd suggest you check out other RV sites if you haven't already. RV.Net is a good source. Having said all that, the Explorer is probably one of the best smaller tow vehicles you can find for your rig, in my opinion. Your tongue weight will be greater than stated by the manufacturer, so be sure you have an adequate hitch to handle the tongue weight. But do be sure to get a good weight distribution hitch and sway control system. I like Blue Ox Sway Pro but have gone to a ProPride. You won't know what your weights are until you have all your stuff inside, in the underneath storage, and out on the A frame. Read up on how to weigh your rig and determine your tongue weight (TW). Don't press the envelope and you'll avoid white knuckle trips and keep your family safe. You seem to be withing the range of an Explorer's capabilities but you might consider a Tahoe. I'm a Ford guy, but the Tahoe is a bit bigger and stronger than the Explorer but not as bulky as the Expedition, which I love, having had three and looking for a fourth. Finally, pay no attention to anything salesmen tell you, neither at car or trailer dealerships. For example, the guy who said V8s are disappearing. There's a lot to learn, and it's fun. I towed hay and horses for years but found RV towing quite different and still have a lot to learn.
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Old 04-25-2011, 09:33 AM   #12
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snip.......The V8 is rated for about 7300lbs and the trailer is 5900lbs (full)..........snip
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Welcome to the Jayco forums.

As you shop for a new TV keep in mind that the auto sales representative doesn't have the knowledge to insure that the TV he is selling you is a good match for your Jay Feather 23K, so you are correct in doing the do-diligence on your own ahead of time.

Also keep in mind most TV manufacturers neglect to tell you that the TV's specified towing capacity is a combination of everything inside the TV, including passengers, cargo, fuel, as well as the "loaded" weight of the TT. Another way to look at it is that any weight that is added to the TV's specified "curb" weight (stripped version with a 150lb driver) of the TV is subtracted from the TV's specified "tow" weight rating.

You may not be towing the 23K at it's GVWR (5,900lbs), but be mindful that you will most likely be closer to the TT's GVWR than the TT's UVW (4,445lbs) under moderate loading conditions.

The overall length of the Jay Feather 23K is 27ft., something to make note of.

IMO, I wouldn't want to tow anything heavier/larger than the 23K with a Explorer, but that's just me.

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Old 04-25-2011, 01:15 PM   #13
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I agree with Rustic Eagle I wouldnt want to tow anything heavier or larger with a Explorer. I have had two older TT 18' & 20' and towed with 1/2 ton short wheel base pickup and had no real problems. But even with a WD hitch with 1200 pound bars and sway control I had a bounce front to back not all the time but it was there and with a longer wheel base I havent had that problem with longer and heaver Trailer.
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Welcome, you're asking the right questions. You might want to study tow vehicles a bit more. You want an SUV but not a truck. The true SUV is a truck. The old full size Broncos, the current Expedition, both based on the F150 frame. (Ford discontinued the Excursion). Not sure about Tahoe, whether it's a 1500, but the Suburbans I believe come, or did come in 1500 or 2500 versions. Calling a vehicle based on a mid or small car concept an SUV doesn't make it one. It makes it an illusion. The engines will all pull the weight, but often at the expense of transmission damage. And to steal a phrase of another guy, whoa power is at least as important as go power. You get bigger brakes with the pickup based TVs. You also want to read a bit about what trailer brakes are and aren't. Wheel base and track width of a TV only become important when you get into trouble, say in an emergency maneuver. Read all you can on towing. I'd suggest you check out other RV sites if you haven't already. RV.Net is a good source. Having said all that, the Explorer is probably one of the best smaller tow vehicles you can find for your rig, in my opinion. Your tongue weight will be greater than stated by the manufacturer, so be sure you have an adequate hitch to handle the tongue weight. But do be sure to get a good weight distribution hitch and sway control system. I like Blue Ox Sway Pro but have gone to a ProPride. You won't know what your weights are until you have all your stuff inside, in the underneath storage, and out on the A frame. Read up on how to weigh your rig and determine your tongue weight (TW). Don't press the envelope and you'll avoid white knuckle trips and keep your family safe. You seem to be withing the range of an Explorer's capabilities but you might consider a Tahoe. I'm a Ford guy, but the Tahoe is a bit bigger and stronger than the Explorer but not as bulky as the Expedition, which I love, having had three and looking for a fourth. Finally, pay no attention to anything salesmen tell you, neither at car or trailer dealerships. For example, the guy who said V8s are disappearing. There's a lot to learn, and it's fun. I towed hay and horses for years but found RV towing quite different and still have a lot to learn.
Well said, there is something to be said for overkill (there is no such thing when it comes to the saftey of your family) Have someone pull out in front of you and they will, you will wish you had a bigger tow vehicle!
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Old 04-25-2011, 06:55 PM   #15
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Hi nathenchev, While a V8 is the way to go you should get one with a tow package along with a V8. You get a lot more than a hitch a trans cooler that you can add yourself.Talk to a knowledgeable truck sales person , at your dealer of choice, about the complete package . Most car salesman can only tell you about the hitch, trans cooler and elect connector( they can't tell you if it's a 4 or 7 pin).A lot of packages incuded oil coolers, bigger radiators, larger alternators, load rated tires,& different rearend gear ratios. (the higher the numbed the better like 3.73-1 or 4.10-1). The info is at the dealership in one of the technical binders if thesalesperson knows where it is. just an fyi 19hf250
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Old 04-25-2011, 07:15 PM   #16
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The 06 to 10 Explorer/Mountaineer v8's come with the 6 speed transmission and 3.55's in the rear end. Its a very competent package. I always have plenty of pedal left.
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Came across this tread by doing a search. I recently purchased a 2012 JayFlight 26BH. My TV is a 2002 Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer 4x4 with 4.6L and 3.73 rear end. I have a WDH and brake controller that were setup at the RV dealer. I feel that the truck is not enough for the trailer. But then again I have only towed a boat that was rated at 3000lbs (towed that like a dream). Now with this TT I feel like I can't keep up a 60 mph. Truck is going 2600 rpms at highway speeds. Is this normal? And when I hit a hill I can here the engine start to whisper "I think I can..I think I can...". LOL!

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I recently purchased a 2012 JayFlight 26BH. My TV is a 2002 Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer 4x4 with 4.6L and 3.73 rear end. I have a WDH and brake controller that were setup at the RV dealer. Oh-oh already!
I feel that the truck is not enough for the trailer. Ya s'pose?

Now with this TT I feel like I can't keep up a 60 mph. Thank Goodness!

Truck is going 2600 rpms at highway speeds. Is this normal? Well Yeah!

And when I hit a hill I can here the engine start to whisper "I think I can..I think I can...". LOL! That ain't a whisper, that's a GASP!
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Old 07-10-2012, 04:42 PM   #19
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I have towed thousands of miles with first an 02 and now with an 04 Ford Explorer, both V8s and both with the tow package. My trailer is not as heavy as the one you are looking at, but I doubt that you will have any problems. You do want to get the V8 with the tow package.
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Old 07-15-2012, 06:28 AM   #20
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I pull a 2007 254 jay feather rated at around 4500lbs with an 07 Explorer Sport Trac. The TT is also 26' long. The Trac does just fine. It does have a very nice tow package which helps. We have towed from the coast to the blue ridge mountians and havent had a problem, even in the extreme heat we had on the east coast. Like everyone else says, make sure it has a good tow package.
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