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Old 08-02-2016, 12:08 PM   #31
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Good points. I did check all my numbers and was well within spec in that regard, and was level without the WDH. My truck happens to have electronic sway control too, though I've never felt it 'in action' so who knows if that even works lol

In a way this just helps prove my point though, that without knowing OP's truck, trailer, and travel distance goals, we are all offering advice that may not directly apply to his situation (other than pointing out caution is a good general rule)
Would it be safe to say that a properly configured WDH is always an improvement, even if you don't strictly need it? I.e. your truck may be perfectly within specs as-is, but physics says you have less weight on the front axle than with no trailer, so a WDH *would* help, but maybe not meaningfully in your situation.
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Old 08-02-2016, 01:09 PM   #32
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Would it be safe to say that a properly configured WDH is always an improvement, even if you don't strictly need it? I.e. your truck may be perfectly within specs as-is, but physics says you have less weight on the front axle than with no trailer, so a WDH *would* help, but maybe not meaningfully in your situation.
"Always an improvement"...objectively, yes I'd have to say that is a fair statement.

All I was trying to get across that using WDH is not absolutely necessary in a specific situation, but I think we are both on the same page on that.

To be honest about it, I read a lot of the earlier replies as being black & white and felt a counter response was worth adding to the discussion, even if everyone things I'm dead wrong.

In any event, hopefully OP will reply with his/her details as that will lend itself to getting better advice.
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Old 08-02-2016, 01:57 PM   #33
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I always use the WDH - mandatory for my combo. I don't use the sway control on the short trip to storage lot over county roads (45 mph max) unless it is quite windy. For the 20 minute trip it is a pain to have to remove it to back into the parking site, and I have never had an issue with sway at slow speeds. It goes on anytime I contemplate hitting a highway however.
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Old 08-02-2016, 02:30 PM   #34
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If it's leaving the storage yard, it's on the WDH with the trunnion bars in place. Always.
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Old 08-03-2016, 03:52 PM   #35
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I thought of another WDH vs non-WDH question and curious as to everyone's thoughts:

I have a 10000# rated utility trailer and use it to move a 6000# tractor, so roughly 7500# total give or take. It connects to the truck via pintle hook only. Not sure the tongue weight (have never gone to a scale with this one), but let's say that's at least 750# worth of tongue weight for sake of the question.

My TT came in at 6000# and a 650# tongue weight. I am choosing NOT to use the WDH bars, just the 2 5/16" ball.

Both of the above setups are level at hookup and are within truck capacity specs, and both trailers have electronic brakes.

Why then do I have to worry about WDH when it comes to the camper, but for the other trailer (which is heavier) I can just hook up the pintle and drive away?

Or are these not as apples to apples as I'm thinking? Meaning somehow the 'forces' on the truck when it comes to pulling and stopping are different between the two trailers based on the hitch type (or some other factor)?
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Old 08-03-2016, 03:55 PM   #36
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Old 08-03-2016, 05:15 PM   #37
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Why then do I have to worry about WDH when it comes to the camper, but for the other trailer (which is heavier) I can just hook up the pintle and drive away?
The trailer likely has a significantly larger wind profile, for one - far more susceptible to gusts of wind perpendicular to your direction of travel. This, of course, really talks more to the ability of your WDH to control sway than weight distribution.
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Old 08-03-2016, 05:27 PM   #38
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The trailer likely has a significantly larger wind profile, for one - far more susceptible to gusts of wind perpendicular to your direction of travel. This, of course, really talks more to the ability of your WDH to control sway than weight distribution.
Spot on and I agree. In my case the WDH has a single friction bar to manage sway.

For purposes of the question however, sway control is not a concern as the truck has electronic sway control. (in the real world I usually slap the sway bar because that takes all of 2 seconds, even if I don't use the WDH bars)
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It's not just hte trailer, or the effects of wind. But most Class IV and V hitches are bolted or welded to the frame. A 600-750# or more tongue weight is likely to someday rip that hitch or the frame it's attached to with a dead weight on the rear bolts/welds. When a WD setup is used and properly adjusted, the load is spread between both front and rear attach points. A pintle is typically secured to a much heavier frame, heavier hitch (although not an ideal situation if it's merely fastened to a regular Class IV or V hitch), and presumably used only on something heavier than light duty pickups. Additionally, the pintle itself is much stronger than the weak link in a TT setup, which is the stud on the hitch ball. Even on a 2-5/16" ball, that's only about a 1" or 1-1/8" stud, and is subject to all sorts of stress, stress corrosion, and fracture/shock loads. The pintle is specifically designed for such loads right out of the box. You can put a pintle on a 1/2 ton pickup, but it's not normally recommended. What most people will do is recommend best practices. Some consider that overkill. But it's one thing if an operator doesn't mind taking his own life in his hands and operating at bare minimums or even over hard limits. But when other peoples' lives are at risk as well, I would certainly feel better knowing they covered the bases and did their homework, and followed the best practices.
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Old 08-03-2016, 07:30 PM   #40
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For purposes of the question however, sway control is not a concern as the truck has electronic sway control. (in the real world I usually slap the sway bar because that takes all of 2 seconds, even if I don't use the WDH bars)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the point of the sway bar to damp yaw so that it doesn't escalate to sway? By the time the truck's electronic sway control kicks in, you're in a full sway event and the only thing keeping you on the road is the truck working some magic -- great, but still means new underwear, and I wouldn't want to depend on it I guess .
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