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Old 04-21-2011, 10:33 PM   #11
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snip...... I added a WDH with a shipping weight of 80 lbs. I used all the components but 80 seems a little high. Still, I'd bet there is at least 50 lbs between the hitch, shank, bars and ball. That puts me at 525 lbs and at 15%. ....snip
Trout34,

Keep in mind that most of the component weight of a typical WDH is placed on the TV's receiver and doesn't contribute to the TT's actual loaded tongue weight, however the WD components attached to the TT's A-frame would (when unhitched from the TV).

Going to heavy (over the 15%) may exceed the rating of your WD spring bars, TV weight limits, or the TV's receiver WD limits.

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Old 04-21-2011, 11:37 PM   #12
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You also neeed to be aware that the posted hitch or tongue weight is with the trailer sitting level. If your truck saggs and the front of the trailer sits lower then the weight is higher.
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A little more information after adjustments

First thanks to all those more experienced with their input, it is helpful and appreciated. I made adjustments to the Reese today and it didn't quite go as I'd hoped. I'm on the bottom hole available on the shank. Using the full 15 degree tilt I was able to get the trailer level. Unfortunately that was with the WD not connected and the truck rear sagging. With the adjustment the WD bars did not want to sit on the cams. I opted not to adjust them because I did not think I'd have the necessary clearance when done and even with the jack raised as high as it would go I could not snap them up. I did leave pipe to help with that at home.

I wanted to get the setup weighed so I adjusted the tilt and chains to a point where the truck was level. I'd guess the trailer coupler would still need to drop 2 -3 inches for the trailer to be level. The trunnions were forward of where they needed to be by about 1/2 inch. The weights came in as follows:

W/O Trailer With Trailer
Steer axle 2580 33.75 2780 33.25
Driver axle 2660 33.75 2820 33
Trailer axle 2760

The second number is the height of the wheel wells. Its apparent I'm going to have to have the Pathfinder sag to the backend some. The gross axle max weight on the front is 2775. So I was over a hair and I assume when I add my wife's 125 lbs to the front seat that will make it worse. The rear axle max is 3500 so I have some room there. I'm not sure how to proceed. Tentatively it looks like I'll have to get a shank that will allow me to lower the tongue. Doing so will surely move some more weight to the TV and I'll have to get get that to the rear axle. I'm not too worried about that but I would like to know if there is an adjustment that can move some to the trailer axle where the max is also 3500.
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Old 04-22-2011, 03:42 PM   #14
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Hey Trout, sounds like yer having all kinds of fun. If you cannot set the tension with the jack all the way up even with the pipe, (should be able to do it by hand with the jack up) then clearly things are way off. Too much tilt on the hitch head as you said is one issue. I believe the angle on the hitch head is more intended for WD hitch adjustment rather then trailer leveling. From what I gather with the shank all the way down your trailer is still tongue high? Some shanks can be taken apart and turned upside down so you can use lower holes, As the pic of mine shows, if I needed to go really low I could remove the bolts and flip the shank upside down. I had to do this in reverse, my hitch was set too low so I had to flip it to the high side to level my TT. If this is not an option, you may need a shank with lower holes in it. Perhaps some others will chime in that have high trucks and had to lower their shank with a drop hitch or something.
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Old 04-22-2011, 05:31 PM   #15
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Trout34,

Ok, looks like you have a lot going on. One thing for sure not all TV/TT combinations are created equal and some take a little more work to get the Reese HP Dual Cam dialed in. Once dialed in the Dual Cam is a great hitch.
A little more information may be helpful for us;

1) Can you post any side view pics of your hitch with your TV/TT?

2) Which model/version of Reese "HP" Dual Cam do you have....., the one with the "flat" (gold in color) chain hanger brackets or the one with the "bent" (silver in color, latest version) chain hanger bracket?

3) Are there any WD weight rating restrictions noted on the X17C A-frame?

4) Do you have the round bar or trunnion bar style spring bars?

5) What is the weight rating of the spring bars with your Reese hitch?

6) What are the weight ratings of your Pathfinder's receiver?

Just a couple of comments based on the information you supplied thus far;

As you mentioned to much weight has been transferred to the TV's front axle, ideally you want to bring the front axle weight back to it's "unhitched" weight to maintain it's normal steering characteristics when you have your WD spring bars engaged (most TV manufactures require this). In most cases the rear axle (suspension) will incur additional drop with the spring bars engaged, so don't focus to much on getting the TV level via the WD adjustments (days of equal TV axle squat are almost gone).

You may want to back off on the ball mount tilt to reduce the amount of weight being transferred to the TV front axle as a start. I also agree with 'Crabman' you may have to flip your your shank to get the TT level (or possibly a new shank), but address the weight transfer matter first.

I've attached a photo of my Reese HP Dual Cam, but my set-up will look a lot different than yours because we have different TV suspensions/heights, and my Jayco Eagle TT frame is much different than your Jay Feather Sport HTT frame. I have the earlier version of the "HP" Dual Cam with the "flat" chain hanger brackets. The two "HP" versions of the Reese Dual Cam are bolted directly to the A-frame, the very first Reese "Dual Cam" product was attached via large U-bolts around the A-frame
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Hope you can provide a little more info.......thanks.

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Rustic Eagle said "In most cases the rear axle (suspension) will incur additional drop with the spring bars engaged, so don't focus to much on getting the TV level via the WD adjustments (days of equal TV axle squat are almost gone)."


Yeah I think its accepted now that an inch or two of rear squat is normal. I know mine drops about 1.5" with the bars under tension, of course Its a soft springed 1500.
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You also neeed to be aware that the posted hitch or tongue weight is with the trailer sitting level. If your truck saggs and the front of the trailer sits lower then the weight is higher.
Clutch what is the tongue weight capacity on your Husky wd hitch?
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Trout, I also had some troubles setting up my Reese dual cam properly. I finally had a mobile rv service come to my house and get it right, the best $200.00 spent. He spent about 4 hours measureing and test driving and readjusting. A week later we hit the road for 25 days traveling to Disney from NY and back. No sway at all, except getting pushed by semis some.
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Trout, I also had some troubles setting up my Reese dual cam properly. I finally had a mobile rv service come to my house and get it right, the best $200.00 spent. He spent about 4 hours measureing and test driving and readjusting. A week later we hit the road for 25 days traveling to Disney from NY and back. No sway at all, except getting pushed by semis some.
Yeah, Joe that could be just what Trout needs, if he can find the right guy for the job like you did. Not everyone knows how to adjust the Reese dual cams as I discovered when RVdirect hooked mine up. It wasn`t even close to being right. The hitch was mine, I brought it with me, they just put it on for me.
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Yeah, Joe that could be just what Trout needs, if he can find the right guy for the job like you did. Not everyone knows how to adjust the Reese dual cams as I discovered when RVdirect hooked mine up. It wasn`t even close to being right. The hitch was mine, I brought it with me, they just put it on for me.
I was also leary about having RVDirect install my Reese dual cam at their Albany facility, but luckily for me the mobile RV guy came with me to pick it up and he drove it back to his shop to do the install. I wonder where Trout lives?
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