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Old 10-29-2015, 08:31 PM   #11
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Thanks for all your input! Our tv is trd Tacoma, so will be able to pull any of these I believe. Thanks again.... We'll keep deliberating.
It would be good to verify the capabilities of your truck so that you know what it's capable of. I believe it's to your advantage to know exactly what your truck is capable of before walking into the show room to ensure that you don't immediately have to upgrade your tow vehicle. Most dealers will just look at the tow capacity published by the manufacturer and say you're good. In reality, it's more important to understand how much your truck can carry since that is the limitation that is almost always exceeded before reaching the published tow capacity. The truck will need to carry the tongue weight of the trailer and the weight distributing hitch/sway control plus all occupants and any other cargo in the bed such as bikes, firewood, coolers, pets, etc.

To see how much your specific truck can carry open the drivers door and look for the yellow tire and loading sticker with the phrase "combined weight of occupants and cargo should never exceed xxxxx". This is the total amount of weight the truck can carry as delivered by the manufacturer. If the dealer or yourself added accessories such as a bed cover or topper or other aftermarket accessories, the weight of these items should be subtracted from this number. Post this number along with the GVWR value from the white manufacturer's label also found on the drivers door/jam.

Once you know the payload value for your truck you can start estimating the weights you'll be putting on/in the truck. So long as you don't exceed the payload number you should be fine.

There are some rules of thumb for estimating the tongue weight of the trailer before you buy, which when the trailer is loaded should be somewhere between 10-15% of the loaded trailer weight. A conservative estimate of this value can be had by using 13% of the trailers GVWR rating. In the case of my 195RB the GVWR was 3750lbs so the estimated tongue weight I used for my sizing was 485lbs.

You can also use an estimate of about 90lbs for the weight distributing hitch/sway control, though depending on what you actually use it could be as low as 60 or as high as 110.

Also add the weights for all occupants plus gear you expect to carry in the truck to the tongue and hitch weights and see where it lands compared to the payload number.

Once you understand how much payload you have to work with it's pretty easy to plug in the estimated numbers and arrive at a fairly reasonable conclusion for a particular trailer.
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Old 10-29-2015, 10:30 PM   #12
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I know we have a towing package and our towing capacity is over 5000lb, and trailers we looking at are under 3000. Not sure of all the details, but I'm pretty sure we'll be okay. Thanks for all the info, I'll have to look into it.
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Old 10-31-2015, 09:49 AM   #13
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Well, thank you for all the good advice. I'm sure we probably should have waited for the 174, but for various reasons we went with the 154. My husband and I both wanted to stay small, and he was in Montana, and the 154 was there, and we'll it just happened. We are so excited. He should be home with it today. so thanks again for input. If this is too small, I'm sure we can resell and upgrade in a year or two. We had a scamp before this, so I think the 154 will seem big. Thanks again for advice!
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Old 10-31-2015, 10:42 AM   #14
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154BH has dining table that can be converted to a bed. After converting back and forth everyday for 14 days straight, I wish I get the one that has permanent bed and permanent dining table.
If you are fine with that limitation, 154BH is fine.
We ended up not using the dining, have the bed up all the time, and dine outside.
I guess that forces us to stay get outside more. But when it is cold like it is right now, dining outside is not an option
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Old 10-31-2015, 10:56 AM   #15
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I'm sure you made the right decision for your own needs. All of us have opinions but we're not in your shoes. I think you'll be ecstatic since you're moving up from a tent--at least I would be.


Congratulations and happy camping! How exciting!
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Old 10-31-2015, 11:15 AM   #16
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Congrats on the new rig and happy camping!
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Old 11-01-2015, 09:20 AM   #17
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Spoken from experience

This exact 'mistake' happened to us. Oct13 we got a 154 baja for wife and 5year old twins. I loved the compact size (in theory) and got compliments everywhere we went from old timers in big rigs lamenting the smaller size.
I quickly had to admit that esp on the 154 there is sort of thathigh traffic triangle that everyone crosses at the cooker/front door---that agrivates everyone involved. You saying 'excuse me' every 2 seconds.
Within 6 months I admitted my mistake, and went to the dealer trying to trade up to the 184, which I would have been happy with(that extra floor space relieving the 'high-traffic' triangle I mentioned.
But the damage was done and wife saw much bigger 23mbh and that was it. Now we have a big TT like everyone else. I lament it slightly. The 184 would have worked for me. I guess our rig is future proofed for kids as they get older/bring friends etc.
Ironically, we never get compliments anymore as I guess we look the same as everyone else.
I don't know the 3rd model you speak of, but bottom line, the 154 was too small in the real world. Whatever you get --go baja. It just looks so badass.
Hope this helped😀
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You made made a good choice. And you Toyota should tow it safely and that is VERY important. Sounds like a great match to your family . Best of luck with your new trailer
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Oops. Didn't realize you'd bought already, or I'd have reserved my comments. The 154 is awesome if you 'manage' the space, eg, mom and kids would take the dog out in the morning while I quickly reconverted the bed back to dining and cleaned up. Things like that. I also built a camp-chuck-box I threw in the truck bed-so we would do more cooking outside. I also found myself poking into cabinet crannies looking to gain extra storage space. I def started inventing ways to double-duty things etc because of space constraints-I kinda miss that now.
Also- I'd get a queen foam topper for that bed, n store in truck---those Tetris cushions get uncomfortable real soon.
Congrats. There are much more pros to cons w a 154bh
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Old 11-01-2015, 11:39 AM   #20
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Enjoy you 154BH. We had one and like it but moved way up to a 264BHW. Reasons are the double wide bunks make entry/exit much easier, can leave the dinette up all the time, got a couch for sitting. That said the 154 was really easy to setup, we left the dinette down all the time as a bed, doing all our cooking and eating outside, which we still do...

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