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Old 09-25-2013, 03:46 PM   #21
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Originally Posted by msturtz View Post
That is definately against code. 120 v must be in a box
That makes me wonder if there is any code to be followed at the factories for these things. Around 2000 we put a double-wide on some vacation property per a building permit. We were told the inspectors were not allowed to check inside. That included electrical inspection, which only went on outside.

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Old 09-25-2013, 04:05 PM   #22
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There is a code that must be followed. In Washington State the manufacturer must submit a design and get a type and design permit. As long as the units are constructed to the approved design then they will get a Washington State seal. However if after build discrepancies are found they could be in a lot of trouble and lose their seal and ability to self certify compliance. I don't think there are factory inspections done. I believe it is the same for mobile and manufactured housing. The local electrical inspector isn't allowed to inspect inside mobile homes only L&I is because it is a state permit.

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Old 09-26-2013, 08:19 AM   #23
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Originally Posted by wayfun View Post
... These may work for low voltage applications but I think they are poor for 120V.

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I agree. As has been indicated already they are intended for tapping/connecting low voltage systems.

They can slice through the low voltage insulation and make contact well, but may not correctly cut through heavier insulation like THHN/THWN or similar material. That insulation can force open and distort the connector causing it to not bite properly. Another issue with this situation is that I would never use them on #14 or #12 AWG solid wire like Romex building wire, just stranded conductors. It is a poor choice for heavier solid wire.

Many people don't like this type of wire connector and will say not to use them at all. As with any wiring method, I believe that it has a place on low voltage work for many applications when in a controlled environment and properly installed (not hanging out exposed under a vehicle for example).

Whoever used them to connect your water heater has demonstrated that they aren't up to that task.


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