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micron 09-09-2014 01:55 PM

I was looking at a Starcraft
 
I was passing by the dealership where I bought my Jayco and saw a small 2015 Starcraft with a rear slideout. Its a new design as far as I can tell. Its the Starcraft Launch 19BHS. I really like the floorplan a lot more than the Jayco Swift 184BH that I have. It looks like a winner as it is only weighs a little more has a power awning, and a dual axle. Also Starcraft nows gives the same two year warranty as Jayco. I wasn't exactly in the market for a new TT but this one got my attention. Has anyone else seen it and what are some of your thoughts?

nbhybrid 09-09-2014 02:00 PM

it is a 1000 lbs more.....that is more than a little but at least it has holding tanks. Jayco and the 9 gallon black is no good

Grumpy 09-09-2014 02:05 PM

It's an interesting floor plan especially if your limited on what you can tow. It will be interesting if JAYCO comes out with something similar. There for a while they had a little duplication in floor plans, but that may be going away.

nbhybrid 09-09-2014 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Grumpy (Post 232666)
It's an interesting floor plan especially if your limited on what you can tow. It will be interesting if JAYCO comes out with something similar. There for a while they had a little duplication in floor plans, but that may be going away.

they do sort of...the X213 is only 400 lbs heavier and more importantly it is a FOOT wider....big difference in comfort for only 400 lbs.

Once you are in between that 3500-5500lb range the TV is generally the same. so if you can tow the starcraft you can likely tow the nicer jayco. although I am sure the jayco costs more

DocBrown 09-09-2014 02:32 PM

As said, more than a little heavier. 4,750# GVWR as opposed to 3,500# for your Swift. The X213 nbhybrid cites is not 400# more, its 750# more at 5,500# GVWR. Never go by dry weight. Not a single one of us has a trailer that actually weighs the dry weight when towing.

nbhybrid 09-09-2014 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DocBrown (Post 232679)
As said, more than a little heavier. 4,750# GVWR as opposed to 3,500# for your Swift. The X213 nbhybrid cites is not 400# more, its 750# more at 5,500# GVWR. Never go by dry weight. Not a single one of us has a trailer that actually weighs the dry weight when towing.


lol..most of us can go by dry weight. Just because you have CC doesn't mean your individual needs change.
There are a lot of trailers with 2 tons of CC...are you saying if you had one you would use all 4000lbs for stuff:eek:

bottom line it is 400lbs more like I stated

athread678 09-09-2014 02:56 PM

I really like this floor plan too! More importantly, I like the slide as opposed to the hybrid tents. We're looking at moving out of our pup and are considering this as an option.

My husband prefers the Jayco since it "claims" to have a king bed in the slide. He's 6'6"/270lbs, so a queen can get pretty tight. I, on the other hand, don't see why one wouldn't just go with a larger TT for the price. Seems like there would be tons more storage and room for a family to grow. But, I guess it all depends on what you can tow.

Rustic Eagle 09-09-2014 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by nbhybrid (Post 232688)
lol..most of us can go by dry weight.....snip

If by "most" you mean RV sales representatives, then I would agree :D

For reader clarification it should be noted that Jayco's published dry weights (web site, brochures...., what's being referenced here) are not representative of actual as-shipped dry weights, actual dry weights (UVW) are identified on the yellow sticker attached to the trailer. Depending on the particular model the actual UVW ship weight can very from 150lbs to 800lbs more then the published dry weights.

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Originally Posted by nbhybrid (Post 232688)
snip......bottom line it is 400lbs more like I stated......snip

.... Correct, only when comparing inaccurate published dry weights.

Bob

nbhybrid 09-09-2014 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rustic Eagle (Post 232715)
If by "most" you mean RV sales representatives, then I would agree :D

For reader clarification it should be noted that Jayco's published dry weights (web site, brochures...., what's being referenced here) are not representative of actual as-shipped dry weights, actual dry weights (UVW) are identified on the yellow sticker attached to the trailer. Depending on the particular model the actual UVW ship weight can very from 150lbs to 800lbs more then the published dry weights.



.... Correct, only when comparing inaccurate published dry weights.

Bob

I really do not understand what is going here?????? why are you questioning my post?

Sure PUBLISHED dry weights are not accurate but I am quoting base weights of both units dry

I am unsure why you are saying I am incorrect.....We are not talking whether it can carry more or if it CAN weigh more I am stating FACTS...

The dry weight of the Starcraft is 3575 the Jayco is 4005...those are the two facts...what happens after they are loaded doesn't pertain to this conversation

Rustic Eagle 09-09-2014 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by nbhybrid (Post 232719)
snip...... why are you questioning my post?.....snip

I wasn't questioning your post, I was providing a clarification for readers (especially newbies) that there is a difference between "published" and "actual" dry weights.

Lots of folks have purchased new trailers thinking the published dry weights are an accurate representation of the product, only to find out that once they get it home and load it the unit is much heavier then they had originally figured. The majority of RV sales people use the published weights when speaking to customers.

There are a number JOF threads/posts that touch on this dry weight difference, and in every case the JOF member was surprised at the weight delta.

No where in my post did I state you were incorrect.

Bob

nbhybrid 09-09-2014 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Rustic Eagle (Post 232724)
I wasn't questioning your post, I was providing a clarification for readers (especially newbies) that there is a difference between "published" and "actual" dry weights.

Lots of folks have purchased new trailers thinking the published dry weights are an accurate representation of the product, only to find out that once they get it home and load it the unit is much heavier then they had originally figured. The majority of RV sales people use the published weights when speaking to customers.

There are a number JOF threads/posts that touch on this dry weight difference, and in every case the JOF member was surprised at the weight delta.

Bob

but you agree for the purpose of THIS post my info is correct?


we are comparing apples to apples

micron 09-09-2014 05:40 PM

My TV is rated by Toyota to be able to tow up to 650 TW/6500 lbs so I am not worried about the weight of the Starcraft. Unless I pile everything I own into the front and overload the hitch. I like the smaller TTs (which is why we bought the Swift) and just thought the Starcraft had a nicer floorplan with a few of the extras that my wife and I like. There is no wardrobe and the storage compartments do seem to be smaller and lawkwardly situated. I do agree that it is priced on the higher side though.

BTW nbhybrid the Starcraft has the same size holding tank as the Swift which is a bit of a bummer.

nbhybrid 09-09-2014 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by micron (Post 232747)
BTW nbhybrid the Starcraft has the same size holding tank as the Swift which is a bit of a bummer.

the starcraft 19BHS you are talking about has a 30.8 gallon black tank compared to your 9 and a 30.8 gray compared to your 15

micron 09-09-2014 06:10 PM

I stand corrected. That's what I get for trusting the dealer's (Whitehorse RV) spec sheet. They have the tank listed at 9 gls. I never looked at the Starcraft website. Now I'm wondering what else they got wrong.

nbhybrid 09-09-2014 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by micron (Post 232753)
I stand corrected. That's what I get for trusting the dealer's (Whitehorse RV) spec sheet. They have the tank listed at 9 gls. I never looked at the Starcraft website. Now I'm wondering what else they got wrong.


well perhaps the website is wrong in their defense

micron 09-09-2014 06:31 PM

Hmmm. A conundrum.

nbhybrid 09-09-2014 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by micron (Post 232747)
I do agree that it is priced on the higher side though.

15995 doesn't seem to expensive

micron 09-09-2014 07:30 PM

Where did you see that price? I keep finding them in the 19- 20 thousand range.

nbhybrid 09-09-2014 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by micron (Post 232788)
Where did you see that price? I keep finding them in the 19- 20 thousand range.


right beside you
http://www.schreckrv.com/2015-starcr...er-pa-i1158928

DocBrown 09-10-2014 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by nbhybrid (Post 232688)
lol..most of us can go by dry weight. Just because you have CC doesn't mean your individual needs change.
There are a lot of trailers with 2 tons of CC...are you saying if you had one you would use all 4000lbs for stuff:eek:

bottom line it is 400lbs more like I stated

Wait, what are you saying? That we all tow closer to published dry weight than GVWR? Dry weight just isn't a realistic number, not even for a WAG on numbers. You can rationalize that the dry weight is a good number to use, and lot of folks like yourself who tow with small vehicles do. But that's where folks get into trouble. The shipped weight alone could skew the difference by another 300# over your perceived 400#, making the difference 700#. Larger trailers have bigger, heavier options. I know I'm towing much closer to my GVWR than the published dry weight, and I'd bet that you are too, by at least 500# over your dry weight.

Sure, most of us may not use all their CC. But the reality is that when folks have more space available, they take more stuff. You can't assume that because you've disciplined yourself to pack light that others will too. Not to mention that one's needs may not change, but the desire for more comforts and conveniences do.

That's about all I'm going to say on this now. I know that you have you're thoughts and I have mine. And no, I don't use my entire capacity either, but I'm a realist.That said, if you can find me one documented case where someone is actually towing a trailer at its dry weight, I'll eat crow.

nbhybrid 09-10-2014 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DocBrown (Post 232869)
Wait, what are you saying? That we all tow closer to published dry weight than GVWR? Dry weight just isn't a realistic number, not even for a WAG on numbers. You can rationalize that the dry weight is a good number to use, and lot of folks like yourself who tow with small vehicles do. But that's where folks get into trouble. The shipped weight alone could skew the difference by another 300# over your perceived 400#, making the difference 700#. Larger trailers have bigger, heavier options. I know I'm towing much closer to my GVWR than the published dry weight, and I'd bet that you are too, by at least 500# over your dry weight.

Sure, most of us may not use all their CC. But the reality is that when folks have more space available, they take more stuff. You can't assume that because you've disciplined yourself to pack light that others will too. Not to mention that one's needs may not change, but the desire for more comforts and conveniences do.

That's about all I'm going to say on this now. I know that you have you're thoughts and I have mine. And no, I don't use my entire capacity either, but I'm a realist.That said, if you can find me one documented case where someone is actually towing a trailer at its dry weight, I'll eat crow.

I completely understand weights..lets get that straight. I believe I am very knowledgeable and helpful to people on this site.

I will say this one more time as I did in very detail to Rustic....

for the purpose of THIS thread we are talking trailer to trailer...THATS IT

Apples to apples.....Dry weight to dry weight..........OKAY???????

They are 450 lbs difference in DRY weights.....

THIS IS NOT A THREAD DISCUSSING LOADED WEIGHTS.

I am unsure what your comment about "you people with small vehicles" meant but it sounds a lot like an RV.Net comment and I don't like it. I know how to tow ok.

and I completely disagree that people take more stuff because they can. Maybe some do but most like me take what they need.....it doesn't change no matter what the CC is.

I hope you understand now

DocBrown 09-10-2014 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by nbhybrid (Post 232892)

I am unsure what your comment about "you people with small vehicles" meant but it sounds a lot like an RV.Net comment and I don't like it. I know how to tow ok.

Not at all. And if it came off that way I apologize. With a small tow vehicle you have to think it through differently and be far more conscious of every pound, and my comment was an acknowledgement of that. I've knowingly towed very close to capacity twice over the years, so I know exactly where are you with having to watch weights. All the more so why I am so adamant about ignoring dry weight as an unrealistic number.

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and I completely disagree that people take more stuff because they can. Maybe some do but most like me take what they need.....it doesn't change no matter what the CC is.
You and I obviously live in different worlds when it comes to this. Like I said you are probably very disciplined, but there's a reason people want big trailers with lots of storage space. So they can fill it.

Crabman 09-10-2014 09:26 AM

I think this one has gone about as far as it can and should. Thread closed.


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