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Lmdye 11-14-2018 08:41 PM

Looking for a new tow vehicle
Just lost my Toyota Tundra to the Camp Fire. The Whitehawk trailer attached to it was just left almost intact. We are looking for a new tow vehicle and want to go with a GMC or a Ford. Can I get some thoughts and/or recommendations.

Midnightmoon 11-14-2018 08:52 PM

Sorry to hear of your situation out there. Thankfully, things like trucks and RV's can be replaced.

I have a 2018 Ford that I have been very impressed with. I'd have no issue recommending one to you.

GHen 11-14-2018 09:09 PM

Sorry to hear you were involved with the fire. Hopefully your home and family are ok.

Everyone has their favorite and Iím sure they will all join this conversation. I believe that the big three are very evenly matched with their new lineups. I have 2 family members with Fords, 2 with Rams and 2 with Chevys. I would not recommend an older Dodge. Newer RAMs have been more reliable. I have a Chevy Silverado 2500HD Diesel. I consider it incredible, especially how the transmission handles up and down hills.

Your bigger question should be do you get a 1500, 2500 or 3500.
The 2500ís all have bigger brakes, bigger suspension, better almost everything compared to the 1500.

Chet & Marie 11-14-2018 10:32 PM

We have a 2014 Silverado 2wd with the tow package that handles our Jay Feather 23rlsw at 5400 lbs. like a champ.

cekkk 11-14-2018 11:55 PM

Agree with ghen about 250, etc. Of course you'll be getting a Ford. More room to grow with the 3/4 ton. So often the half tons are operated at or beyond their limits. Family First.

GraftonGuns 11-15-2018 04:25 AM

I would go with a FORD Super Duty either an F-250 or F-350 Mine is a 2016 F-350 Lariat crew cab. Plenty of power and a massive amount of room in the back seat area for our three labs etc.

Crabman 11-15-2018 06:06 AM

Food for thought.


jloco 11-15-2018 07:23 AM

I'm sorry about your loss. I hope all is ok with you and your family.
You should definitely check out the GMC Sierra or Chevy Silverado. They have some great offers on the 2018's. I don't know the weight of your White hawk, but a GM 1/2 ton with the max tow package equipped with the 6.2 is an awesome truck and can tow around 13k lbs if I'm not mistaken. The 3/4 ton with the 6.0 is also a great choice for a gasser. If you want to go diesel, that's a whole different animal. My Buddy owns a 2017 GMC duramax Denali and absolutely loves it.
I currently have a 2017 Silverado 1/2 ton as my daily driver. At just over 26K miles, the truck has been flawless. No issues at all. Not even a single recall.
I really don't think you can go wrong with any of the big 3 these days. All are built pretty well.

rarobo 11-15-2018 07:57 AM

Like what everyone says , trucks are mass produced there will be problems with all makes, Toyota May be a little higher quality control . We have a f150, pulling with the 10 speed trans is unmatched in my opinion, it pulls on the expressway in 7th- 8th gear @ 1400 -1700 rpm, and rarely goes below 5th with our 24mbh, of course when you get on grades it will change but it is smooth I find myself almost relaxing too much.If you want the 4wd automatic mode and blind spot trailer monitor you will have to upgrade to a lariat. Mpg towing is 10-11. I set cruise control at 63mph

hboy 11-15-2018 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by Lmdye (Post 706026)
Can I get some thoughts and/or recommendations.

Sorry you have to deal with this. I don't think you can go wrong with either. You didn't specify if you are replacing with a half ton or larger truck. I'm assuming you are replacing with a half ton.

A few months ago I would say F150. I pulled a camper a couple months ago with a 5.3 chevy w/ proride hitch and it was the best pull i've had with as comfortable ride as i've ever had.

I don't think you can go wrong with either. If you tow a lot I would suggest one of the longer wheel base truck options for a little more stability.

If you do a F150, the ecoboost is pretty impressive motor in my opinion. In the end it comes down to you personal feel in the truck.

gladecreekwy 11-15-2018 09:43 AM

Why not another Tundra?

Les7h 11-15-2018 09:53 AM

Tow vehicle
Regardless of yore choice - it is always better to have too much truck than not enough - 3/4 ton will have larger brakes better suspension and overall more relaxing to drive in the wind or mountains and you can upgrade your camper in the future if you want to
If you choose a diesel you will have better power more fuel mileage and the exhaust brake is amazing
The Allison transmission paired with either the Duramax ( my 2500 HD ) or the Cummins ( my Seneca ) is a very good choice - I canít personally speak of the Ford

Lmdye 11-15-2018 10:49 AM

I loved my Tundra - it was a 2010 and had no problems with it. Unfortunately since 2010 Toyota has changed the body style, but has done no improvements to their towing packages or added much any of the additional features that you see in the Fords and GMC products.

jpgale 11-15-2018 11:18 AM

A friend of mine mom and brother lived in Paradise, sorry for your loss but glad you are all ok. I am a ford guy I had a 2008 tundra which was awesome I now have an older 2003 f250. Mine has the camper package which in 2003 makes the truck a f350 with the f250 gvwr. Anyway you can not go wrong with any full sized truck. I have no expereince with them but have you considered the Nissan titan xd.

skids 11-15-2018 11:49 AM

I have the 2014 F150 3.5L ecoboost full cab. It is great for towing the 195RB. It has gobs of torque and gets good economy when not towing. It does have its cons: There is not enough "compression" to resist picking up speed down long grades, so you rely on brakes. Otherwise it suits me. I would choose something else for a heavy trailer however.

Half Ton Heavy 11-15-2018 12:05 PM

The F150 HDPP is a good compromise between F150 and 250. 2500 payload, 11600 tow. Certainlt eclipses the Tundra on those fronts by a wide margin. Good luck, sorry for the loss, if it was only a truck, you made it though!

GL243 11-15-2018 12:45 PM

Dittos re condolences on your losses to the catastrophic fire out your way. For whatever it happens to be worth, I just saw a day or two ago that Consumer Reports has the RAM 3500 as the least reliable of all vehicles (i.e., not just among pickups). No other RAM made that particular top ten list, however, so maybe it's just stuff going on with the 3500. Not that I'd expect you'd want to go to that heavy duty of a truck for what you're towing. I'm towing a 30 foot SLX 267BHSW with a 2017 Ford F150 3.5 ecoboost supercrew 4wd and have been extremely impressed with the power, even up steep grades, but fuel mileage while towing is not really much or any better than my old 2002 F150 with the 5.4 V8, i.e., about 10 mpg average, with range of about 8.5 up to 11.5 depending on the route, elevation changes, etc. However, it gets way better mileage on the highway when not towing, i.e., 20+ mpg vs 16 mpg for the 2002. I too have noticed that I have to apply brakes on steeper downgrades a bit more than I'd hoped but the Tow-Haul feature seems to do a pretty good job of managing things, i.e., I'm not alarmed by anything with it, and braking I do have to do is very brief, i.e., you don't have to "ride" them at all really.

I think in most cases the other brands don't do any or much better than the F150 ecoboost for towing gas mileage from what I've read on line, although you do see an individual report here and there where someone claims 13 or even 15 mpg towing for their particular truck and trailer combination, so not sure how much stock to put in those particular claims but I don't really have any evidence to refute them. Could be accurate, or could be someone that doesn't actually do the math, or just relies on the dash mpg estimate without verifying how close to "actual" mpg they're getting. In my case, my truck's dash number is about .7 to 1.5 mpg better than I ever get from calculating mpg myself at fill-ups.

From what I read about trucks when I was looking, the Tundras have by far the best reliability, but, as you point out, fewer new/cool/desirable features, plenty of power, but probably the worst fuel mileage of the major brands of pickups.

Anyway, sorry for rambling, and good luck with your decision and any other recovery from the fire that you're going through.

Half Ton Heavy 11-15-2018 01:33 PM

^^^You can adjust the lie o meter to perfect by entering the engineering test mode on your truck. Google it up, youtube has it. Click something three times with foot on brake or something, I forget. But you can adjust to dead nuts on.

Thighmaster 11-15-2018 03:44 PM

What was wrong with the Tundra? Why changing manufacturers? Just curious.

GL243 11-15-2018 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by Half Ton Heavy (Post 706164)
^^^You can adjust the lie o meter to perfect by entering the engineering test mode on your truck. Google it up, youtube has it. Click something three times with foot on brake or something, I forget. But you can adjust to dead nuts on.

That sounds pretty cool, will have to check into that, thanks.

norty1 11-15-2018 06:38 PM

Sorry to hear of your losses. From the video and reports, it was tragic and you could have lost lots more. Thankful that your family and yourself are safe is the first thing that comes to mind.

I have a niece that is a U.S. Forest Svc. fire fighter out there and she has had a busy year in Ca.

Ohiofinlander 11-15-2018 08:29 PM

Sad situation with the fires. Glad you and family are ok! We tow with the f150 3.5 Eco, and love it.

Midnightmoon 11-15-2018 08:40 PM


Originally Posted by Ohiofinlander (Post 706215)
We tow with the f150 3.5 Eco, and love it.

I knew that you would. ;)

TDaniels10 11-21-2018 03:25 PM

Go with a Chevy/GMC
First off, I stand with everyone else in regards to your hardships. May the good Lord give you the strength to rise up.
As for a new tow vehicle, I have to say Chevy/GMC. We have a 2016 Colorado with 3.6L V6, 7000 lb towing capacity. We pull a 242 BHS @ 5505 lbs with ďno problemsĒ. We travel back roads & highways. Iíve also pulled it with a Silverado 1500 V8 & couldnít tell the difference.
As a side note, every post Iíve noticed on this forum that discusses problems with tow vehicles has been about a Ford. Just sayin.
But whatever you decided, first thing to do is hook up your TT and get away & let the world go by for a few days.
Happy Trails!

Bigdomino 11-21-2018 03:38 PM

I have a 2017 GMC Sierra. It has the 6.2 liter V8 and an 8 speed trans. Has max tow package. I pull a 27DSRL Whitehawk. Truck pulls great. Tons of power. 10 1/2 mpg towing in the Vermont hills. The truck averages around 20 mpg not towing. I ordered the electric tow mirrors like on the 2500 and 3500 trucks.

The engine is amazing. 420 hp. Basically the same engine that use in a Corvette. I am sure there are differences. My truck does not sound a corvette. Darn!!!

Good luck.

venoran 11-21-2018 03:48 PM

Best of luck on the road to recovery from the fire, I know how painful it can be dealing with the aftermath of a natural disaster (Hurricane Harvey for us).

I will add my opinion here with the others. I have a 2018 F150 3.5 ecoboost (2wd, crew cab, max tow package) and a White Hawk 26RK (~31ft), and it tows like it has endless power and torque...but as everyone says you can expect around 10-12mpg while towing at 60-70mph. When not towing I generally get around 21mpg commuting in mild traffic, I can get 25+mpg on the highway cruising unloaded if I pay attention. The 36-gal fuel tank upgrade with the tow package takes you a long way even when towing at 10mpg, and it lasts a really long time at 20+mpg. We or the dog generally need to stop every 2-3 hours anyway, and this is usually around the 1/2 tank mark for me.

The Super Crew cab has a huge amount of space inside, the back seat leg room is ridiculously large. The short 5.5ft bed that comes standard with the F150 Super Crew sucks for space (good for tight parking), but nobody stocks the longer 6.5ft bed option...if you can find one or order one I would get that!

I have two people I know from work that had 2015-2017 Dodge Ram 1500's with 4wd and Hemi engines. Both of them had bad steering problems that put the trucks in the dealer shop for warranty work, and one had transmission problems. Both of them have already sold their trucks over a year ago to get away from the problems.

I know several people with Chevy/GMC 1500's and they are happy with them. They are well appointed and handle well when towing as far as I can tell.

I know many people with 3/4 and 1-ton trucks of all makes, and they are happy with them.

And, the most important part of the entire equation...my wife likes the F150, so I guess that is what really matters.

Kenelz 11-21-2018 05:35 PM

I went looking in August for a new truck. I had a Dodge, and two Chevys before, I was trading in an '07 Duramax which was a dream to tow with.

I test drove all the big three, I'm not a fan boy of any brand, they were all impressive. I was surprised to feel the Ram was the leader of them all.

I went with the Ford 150, 5.0L V8, with 10 speed trans. A couple reasons: non rusting aluminum for body parts, and, probably the most foolish reason was I haven't had a Ford since the 70s.

I've been real happy with it, sure is a lot of new electronic connectivity stuff, no problems at all so far. Only thing I towed was the Jeep Wrangler from MI to FL, I got unbelievable milage.

You can't go wrong with any big 3, (thats all I'm familiar with).

Test drive, and kick the tires of the trucks your interested in, enjoy the search.

jamaddox 11-21-2018 05:45 PM

I have a 2017 F250 and love it

2nOZ 11-21-2018 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by jamaddox (Post 707576)
I have a 2017 F250 and love it


TCNashville 11-21-2018 07:01 PM


Originally Posted by jamaddox (Post 707576)
I have a 2017 F250 and love it


mkelly 11-21-2018 08:30 PM

Sorry you lost your Toyota. You can not beat them. That said I have a Toyota Tundra and a 2015 Ram 2500 diesel. I got he Ram to haul my Eagle 330rsts. Tundra unfortunately can't do that kind of lifting....yet. They'll get there. pulling the eagle at 39ft long and almost 10k lbs is effortless thanks to the straight 6. those things are a beast and no one makes a better diesel than Cummings. Millions of semi trucks rum on them. I'd have to go Chevy/GMC after Ram and Ford last because of the problems they have with injectors and transmissions. Both go down on them regularly based off of friends and fellow workers that use them.
Just my 2 cents.

Midnightmoon 11-22-2018 05:21 AM

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I've owned a lot of trucks over the years and I don't have much brand loyalty. There isn't one manufacturer that makes a perfect unit. And there are none that don't have some positive features depending on your likes and needs. They are big investments and I understand that people want to make the best decision. But always remember that the best one for you is the one that you personally like the best and fits your needs.

Here's what's currently in my driveway. 2007 Ram Cummins. 2018 Ford Ecoboost Max Tow. And my wife's 2010 Ram 1500. None are bad. None are perfect.

ryounglewis 11-22-2018 08:46 AM

Ford F150
First, our thoughts are with you and the community while you rebuild. We have an F150 with tow package. We live in the eastern mountains and it pulls like a dream. Good luck!

jtrhodes99 11-22-2018 10:45 AM

Lmdye There is beauty to Mother Nature and then there there is the beast. Glad you survived. I tow with a 2016 GMC 1500 4x4 with a Z71 package. My Jayflight 23MB has 12,000 miles on it. My GMC has 33,000 miles. I've towed in a 110* temp all day and 30 mph crosswinds with the swaybar cranked down. When not towing, my truck hauls farm gear, people gear, searches the forest service roads of the Sierra Nevada for good hunting and fishing spots. I tell everyone, "I trust my truck." Last time I drove an F150, the engine shut off at every stop light then started when the gas was pushed...super wierd. Good luck. Go drive em.

RubyHauler 11-23-2018 08:25 AM

Lmdye -- First question is how much weight are you pulling in the trailer fully loaded? I like to keep my pull vehicle about between 2 thirds to 3 quarters of the rated pull capacity of the vehicle. That way I know I'm not over taxing the truck on long uphill pulls and downhill braking.
As you can see I have a 2013 F150 with tow package and 3.55 rearend pulling about 6100 lbs loaded. Extremely pleased with the performace. Fuel economy varies from 8.4 to 10.6. If you don't get caught up in the sales hussle by dealers, I'd test drive the three..Ford, Chevy and Ram. Now is a great time to buy..end of year inventory clean out. If you are going to be pulling anything close to 10,000 lbs loaded, I'd go to diesel. Just my thoughts........ Happy shopping!!!

reedga1990 11-25-2018 09:26 AM

Looking For New tow Vwhicle
If you want to stay in the 1/2 ton class truck you may want to have a look at the Nissan Titan XD with the 5.0 Cummings turbo V8 diesel. This vehicle has great HP and Torque in a 1/2 truck, as well as the turbo for altitude compensation when traveling in mountainous areas.

spark of insanity 11-25-2018 10:37 PM

I am jeep girl person by heart. A jeep grand cherokee will up to 7000 lbs. I wish I bought the grand instead of the cherokee. But it will tow up to 6000 lbs. I have a coachman sleeps 5. Had to sell my 3 person jayco due to the fact everyone went nuts when they saw what I brought home. Now everyone wanted to go camping. O well. So I now have a sleeps 5 bunk model. Going west with it in July. Good luck on the decision. :campfire:

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