Outlet Tripping

[tomworsh57]

We have a 2022 Jay Feather 24RL. We bought it new in November 2023. We love the trailer!
Just have one problem. Our coffee maker trips the 15amp breaker. We have tried 3 different coffee maker with same results. The trailer has 50 amp service. The outlets are all on a 15 amp breaker. It is a double 15 amp breaker with the hot water heater on one side, outlets on the other. Our work around has been to run an extension cord thru the cabinets from the microwave outlet. That is a 20 amp breaker. Coffee maker works great from that outlet.
My opinion is outlets should be on a 20 amp breaker.
Has anyone else experienced this same issue?

 

[Kevin Cooper]

Since the wires are #14 copper, you should not change it to a 20. It’s unusual that both breakers are connected together. It is most likely a removable clip on the handles. The only reason for them, unless an error in installation, would be for a multiwire branch circuit.
How many times have you tripped that breaker since you bought the rig?

Look on the door and verify what kind of breakers will work and buy and install a new 15 amp breaker. It might just be the breaker is not calibrated correctly. (Unlikely)
You are saying that you have nothing else plugged in and running, like a space heater, toaster, etc that dies at the same time as the coffee pot, correct?

 

[tomworsh57]

Nothing else plugged into outlets, just a coffee maker. First thing I did was replace the breaker.
It is definitely a double pole 15 amp breaker, 1 side outlets, other side Hot Water heater.
4th TT we have owned and never had this problem

 

[tomworsh57]

I’ve even moved coffee makers around to different outlets with same result. I’ve tried pod coffee makers and drip style, made no difference

 

[Kevin Cooper]

There is nothing about a coffee maker that makes it unique electrically. It is a heater and a control circuit. They run from 550 to 1500 watts. So, from 4.58 amps to 12.5 amps. A 15 amp breaker is rated to carry 15 amps for 3 hours.
How long from turning on the pot to the breaker tripping? Seconds, minutes, hour, hours?
Since you have some electrical knowledge, do you have or can borrow a clamp on AC ammeter? If so, you need to have the power on and cover removed. With no coffee pot plugged in, take an amp reading on that conductor. My guess is that something is connected to the circuit and drawing power that you are not thinking of. You never know how they wire RV’s for sure. Especially after Covid started.
Hopefully we can figure this out. Coffee is very important!!!

 

[Glamper64]

That shouldn't happen and probably is wired wrong unless you have a neighbor using your outside plug to heat his trailer

 

[mrmom]

Agree with others, coffee maker should not be tripping breaker. There must be something else on that line that is pulling power. Do not change breaker to 20 amp, will overload the wiring.

First thing I would do is to send an email to Jayco and request the wiring schematics for your unit. You will have to send them the year/make/model info along with your VIN number. That will give you a base line to start checking the circuits.

 

[craigav]

I wonder if the refrigerator is on that circuit. Seems if nothing is obviously plugged in, then something less obvious would be more likely. ~CA

 

[tomworsh57]

I wonder if the refrigerator is on that circuit. Seems if nothing is obviously plugged in, then something less obvious would be more likely. ~CA

Unless it the small refrigerator in the outside compartment. The inside refrigerator is on its on breaker

 

[tomworsh57]

There is nothing about a coffee maker that makes it unique electrically. It is a heater and a control circuit. They run from 550 to 1500 watts. So, from 4.58 amps to 12.5 amps. A 15 amp breaker is rated to carry 15 amps for 3 hours.
How long from turning on the pot to the breaker tripping? Seconds, minutes, hour, hours?
Since you have some electrical knowledge, do you have or can borrow a clamp on AC ammeter? If so, you need to have the power on and cover removed. With no coffee pot plugged in, take an amp reading on that conductor. My guess is that something is connected to the circuit and drawing power that you are not thinking of. You never know how they wire RV’s for sure. Especially after Covid started.
Hopefully we can figure this out. Coffee is very important!!!

The breaker trips within minutes of starting a brew. Pot is not even half full. I’m getting the trailer out of storage this week to prepare for a trip next Saturday. I’ll check the amperage then.

 

[Kevin Cooper]

Minutes after starting means you have an amp draw of over 20 amps.

 

[Johnnie Faught]

There must be something else on that circuit like your power converter, refrigerator or something pulling amps.

 

[tomworsh57]

I got the wiring diagram from Jayco. Every outlet in the trailer is on that one 15 amp circuit. Hard to believe, but that’s how it’s wired. Should have been a 20 amp circuit with that many outlets on it. I guess the mini fridge in the out door compartment, if the compressor kicks on while making coffee. TV and sound bar are plugged in as well as phone chargers. I’ll have to check everything and see if I can find it. It’s ridiculous with 50 amp service and open breaker positions in panel, that all the outlets, indoor and out are on 1 15 amp circuit. We love our Jayco Trailers, but this is terrible electrical design.

 

[Kevin Cooper]

I got the wiring diagram from Jayco. Every outlet in the trailer is on that one 15 amp circuit. Hard to believe, but that’s how it’s wired. Should have been a 20 amp circuit with that many outlets on it. I guess the mini fridge in the out door compartment, if the compressor kicks on while making coffee. TV and sound bar are plugged in as well as phone chargers. I’ll have to check everything and see if I can find it. It’s ridiculous with 50 amp service and open breaker positions in panel, that all the outlets, indoor and out are on 1 15 amp circuit. We love our Jayco Trailers, but this is terrible electrical design.

Would you mind sharing the drawing you got from Jayco? Maybe we can come up with a solution.

 

[tomworsh57]

Here it is

 

[Kevin Cooper]

Not the way I would have designed it. Pretty much everything you plug in with exception of the one receptacle in the bedroom is going to be on one 15a circuit.
I would try to find the junction box at the load center, and see if that circuit splits and goes out two directions. If so, then you could split it apart, and put in another home run.

 

[muckinfuss]

something else to consider is calling Jayco directly and assert yourself when laying out your issue. You have a trailer that has been in service for only 18 months. If this issue has been ongoing, you have a manufacturing defect and electric distribution design issue. This should not be. The response you get is important and in fact, if this was my problem, I'd be demanding a district manager get involved. Don't forget to cite the National Electric Code in your correspondence. It applies to trailers too. Electric problems can become fires. Safety matters, even to the pencil pushers at corporations.

 

[Kevin Cooper]

Muckinfuss, Which part of the NEC are you saying it violates? Article and section would help. Using the NEC can be a good weapon, but you must have exact information to use it.