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Old 10-05-2016, 10:44 AM   #11
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+1 to the "chase" vehicle solution. Then ALL your worries are over. For a 45 or 75 minute drive, that's hardly even a blip on the radar. If you're talking cross-country, that's different, but then I might have a problem if my kid wanted to go cross-country with another family. We'd have to be VERY close, MUCH closer than just friends.

You might even be able to make it safer with 2 vehicles. You could be in the tow vehicle by yourself, or perhaps with just one other passenger to minimize distractions. I know when you get kids together in a car, especially with the added excitement of an adventure, things can get pretty rowdy. So perhaps leave that rowdiness in the "chase vehicle". Remember that you'll also have redundant transportation.

If one vehicle fails, you have another vehicle to move people around or get help or make parts runs or whatever. I'm a big fan of redundancy in critical system components.

You can even go ahead of the "train" and get a head start on setting up if you wanted to. Not everyone has to be at the "bus stop" on time if there are multiple departures!
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Old 10-05-2016, 11:22 AM   #12
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Funny this topic comes up. We are doing a weekend trip (our first one with the 17z) and one of my daughters is bringing a friend. It's a 2.5 hour drive but am going to be good on this trip since the wife is coming later in the day with a friend and her daughter... so two cars. Warm weather on Friday and cool on Sat which means extra clothes, blankets and electric heater. Might have our friend take that stuff home on Sun.....or have her take the wife and kids.
I do see a lot of kids friends coming with us in the future so we'll be purchasing food and drinks at the destination to save weight. An extra kid or two and am right near my SUVs payload capacity.
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Old 10-05-2016, 11:26 AM   #13
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You can even go ahead of the "train" and get a head start on setting up if you wanted to. Not everyone has to be at the "bus stop" on time if there are multiple departures!
I was actually just thinking about this. I have a good friend with a fifth wheel, and this is how he ALWAYS does it. He doesn't like anyone getting in the way of his setup or breakdown procedure. I know this well because I once offered to help. He basically told me to go away.
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Old 10-05-2016, 11:27 AM   #14
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Funny this topic comes up. We are doing a weekend trip (our first one with the 17z) and one of my daughters is bringing a friend. It's a 2.5 hour drive but am going to be good on this trip since the wife is coming later in the day with a friend and her daughter... so two cars. Warm weather on Friday and cool on Sat which means extra clothes, blankets and electric heater. Might have our friend take that stuff home on Sun.....or have her take the wife and kids.
I do see a lot of kids friends coming with us in the future so we'll be purchasing food and drinks at the destination to save weight. An extra kid or two and am right near my SUVs payload capacity.
This sounds like a good way to go. Maybe your friend could drive my wife and kids too?
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Old 10-05-2016, 12:19 PM   #15
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In my younger days I was an avid backpacker. When you're carrying it on your back you definitely figure out ways to cut weight.

My suggestion: cut 3 inches off the handles of your toothbrushes. You can still use them (sort of) and it will save you a couple of ounces per brush.

Do away with the forks and spoons - buy sporks instead.
Also do away with the knives - just share dad's pocket knife - a little rust and pocket lint won't kill you.
And plates can be made out of a plastic frisby - then you can play with them after dinner.
And cut your mattress off just below your buttocks - you legs don't need support, just your torso.




Yes - I'm kidding. But yes, we used to do all of this when backpacking ;-).
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Old 10-05-2016, 12:44 PM   #16
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Of course, one way to solve all of these problems is just to take two vehicles if the kids bring friends. If we do the "friend camping" thing we most likely would go to one of two different state parks -- one is 45 minutes away and one is about 75 minutes away. No big deal on either of them.
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2 Vehicles would be the ideal weight solution. Put all of the luggage in the second vehicle and no worries.
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X2. I would think a trip with a friend would be shorter.

I would load a 2nd vehicle with passengers and anything else considered over the trailer/ tv limit.
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In my younger days I was an avid backpacker. When you're carrying it on your back you definitely figure out ways to cut weight.

My suggestion: cut 3 inches off the handles of your toothbrushes. You can still use them (sort of) and it will save you a couple of ounces per brush.

Do away with the forks and spoons - buy sporks instead.
Also do away with the knives - just share dad's pocket knife - a little rust and pocket lint won't kill you.
And plates can be made out of a plastic frisby - then you can play with them after dinner.
And cut your mattress off just below your buttocks - you legs don't need support, just your torso.




Yes - I'm kidding. But yes, we used to do all of this when backpacking ;-).
Is it weird that I've done ALL of those things? It's true, ounces add up to become pounds, and pounds add up to a LONG day on the trail. Back in the day, my dad used to lug along a handi-cam with extra batteries and tapes!

When we used to do "shakedown" trips with the younger boys, they were always amazed at the amount of stuff we threw in the "no go" pile! I guess that's where I get my still ingrained habit of making sure everything I pack has AT LEAST 2 purposes; and if I can get 3 or 4 different purposes out of a piece of gear, I feel like I'm doing something right!
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In my younger days I was an avid backpacker. When you're carrying it on your back you definitely figure out ways to cut weight.

My suggestion: cut 3 inches off the handles of your toothbrushes. You can still use them (sort of) and it will save you a couple of ounces per brush.

Do away with the forks and spoons - buy sporks instead.
Also do away with the knives - just share dad's pocket knife - a little rust and pocket lint won't kill you.
And plates can be made out of a plastic frisby - then you can play with them after dinner.
And cut your mattress off just below your buttocks - you legs don't need support, just your torso.




Yes - I'm kidding. But yes, we used to do all of this when backpacking ;-).
I remember all this! LOL. Backpacked a lot on the AT. Actually did Mt Washington to Maryland...paused for a week...then down to Georgia. And yes, shaving ounces matters when you're carrying everything you need on your back. Matter of fact, I still have my Gregory pack, purifier, bag, MSR stove..everything.

Man, I need to go again.
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I remember all this! LOL. Backpacked a lot on the AT. Actually did Mt Washington to Maryland...paused for a week...then down to Georgia. And yes, shaving ounces matters when you're carrying everything you need on your back. Matter of fact, I still have my Gregory pack, purifier, bag, MSR stove..everything.

Man, I need to go again.
Me too! Still have all my gear. I even did a little update on a bunch of it a few years ago because DW and I were going to backpack as our "camping" outings. (That lasted exactly 2 trips, and here we are with a HUGE travel trailer, but that's a different story.)

Anyway, every now and again, the trail calls to me. For now, I'm just "holding it in", but when my son gets a bit older, I will have a backpacking buddy! All my gear will be ready and waiting for that day! And DW has already volunteered to keep the trailer warm/cool for us while we're out on the trails!
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I am currently reading a book called "Wild" by Cheryl Strayed about backpacking the PCT thru California.

It is interesting but I have NO dreams of ever doing a hike like that.
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Steve,

IMO a trip to a CAT scale under "loaded" TV/HTT conditions will confirm your actual base loaded weight conditions......., guessing can be a little stressful when attempting to reduce and/or relocate cargo weight. You "might" find that you have more "available" cargo capacity then originally thought.

The CAT results will confirm proper cargo placement thus insuring enhanced TV handling, especially during less then ideal towing conditions. Also, confirming that the X17Z maintains a 10% to 15% loaded tongue weight (of gross weight) is important when placing cargo to the rear of the HTT's single axle. One might find that a 13% to 15% tongue weight range more desirable with weights approaching a TV or HTT's respective GVWR.

CAT scale 'how-to': http://www.jaycoowners.com/forums/f3...v-tt-3871.html

Just food for thought.

Bob

I agree 100% on hitting the cat scales all loaded up. I loaded the water tanks put as much stuff in the trailer without actually packing, loaded truck with firewood for a week, and put an entire weight set that I have that is about a total of 300lbs in passenger area and the trailer. Took it up with wife to a local CAT scale and was really surprised with what the weight totals were on my axles and total GCVW. It was much lower than I thought and IMO the yellow stickers are good way to see a weight number posted but I think it's horse pucky now that I know there is no way with the weights I got at the scale vs what the weight was on the trailer sticker "dry weight" and all the stuff I crammed in the trailer on top of what I already keep in there as trailer stuff. So I gues what I'm saying too is weigh it out, you maybe surprised either knowledge is power.

Happy camping.
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