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04-01-2015, 04:21 AM
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TV question
Just got my x17z home. Now some people think my TV is too small. It is rated to tow 4000 lbs. CGVRW IS 9000 lbs. Truck is 2875 lbs. Seem to do OK coming home granted its only a 45 min drive. Like to know other opinions before I consider getting a bigger truck
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04-01-2015, 07:17 AM
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I'd suggest hitting the CAT Scale to get your weights, it's the only way to be sure. The numbers on the TT weight sticker are empty weights. Get an accurate tongue weight and check the rear axle weight (from a scale visit). In my experience you will be over the Rear GAWR before exceeding tow max or GCWR. What is your TV? Maybe someone on JOF has similar and will post their weights.
The CAT Scale is your friend.
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04-01-2015, 07:25 AM
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Without knowing your specific vehicle and its options (reg cab, super cab, 2 or 4 wheel drive, gas or diesel, etc) its not possible to determine this. As the x17 is a small lightweight camper - provided you don't load up the truck with weight - chances are you're gonna be OK.
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04-01-2015, 08:00 AM
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TV is 2007 Chevy Colorado 3.7 4 door 4x4. Will have to check the rest later.
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04-01-2015, 08:39 AM
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You have 2 threads open on this subject. Would be much better if it was only one thread so that folks aren't repeating answers.
Maybe a mod can combine them?
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04-01-2015, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by crazy.canuck
TV is 2007 Chevy Colorado 3.7 4 door 4x4. Will have to check the rest later.
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First question is what is the tires on it? P rated tires are not adequate for towing.. you NEED LT tires..
Since, I believe, the Canyon is unibody construction you can expect hitch problems in the future..
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04-01-2015, 12:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Seann45
First question is what is the tires on it? P rated tires are not adequate for towing.. you NEED LT tires..
Since, I believe, the Canyon is unibody construction you can expect hitch problems in the future..
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Actually, that's not accurate on either count.
The Colorado/Canyon has a full frame. This isn't a Honda Ridgeline.
Second, 10 years ago I would have said the same thing about LTs vs. P rated. However, P rated tires are now made in a truck/suv type holding anywhere from 40-52 psi. And they are made for light off roading. My current tires are Kuhmos that can hold 51 psi. I run them at 45 when towing and they are stable as any LT I have ever used. And they ride a heck of a lot better when not towing.
Over 8 years I had 2 sets of Firestone Destinations on my previous Trailblazer. Great tire, P rated, max psi of 44. Again, very stable when towing.
Would I run P rated towing a really big trailer? Probably not. But he's towing a 17 footer.
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04-06-2015, 05:15 AM
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To the OP: when you brought the travel trailer home, how did it do? If it did not strain, swerve, or brake difficultly, then why worry what others are telling you?
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04-06-2015, 05:27 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bucko
To the OP: when you brought the travel trailer home, how did it do? If it did not strain, swerve, or brake difficultly, then why worry what others are telling you?
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Not worried about a little drive it did find e coming home for the most part. On the highway it would keep shifting from 4th to 3rd every time the overdrive would kick in so I had to put it in 3rd and leave it there. This leaves me do in 95 kph in a 100 zone. Got plans on a 2 1/2 hour trip and a 4 hour trip. Don't want to tare the truck up. Im thinking a bigger TV. Whant to here what other people that have experience towing think.
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04-07-2015, 04:14 AM
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I used to own a 2000 Ford Ranger 4x4 that I towed my Jayco Featherlite 16xrb. It did the same as what you are describing; at 55 to 60 MPH on straight, level roads, it was fine. However, on inclines or some wind, it would shift out of overdrive into 3rd constantly. If I knew I was going to be driving on some hilly roads, I would disable the OD.
When towing, I'd not worry too much about being able to do the speed limit; we are supposed to drop our speed. However, if your TV is frequently downshifting out of OD, it might be time to get something with some more power, or settle on the lower speed and lower fuel economy.
I gave the Ranger to my son (miss that truck), and purchased a 1/2 ton Ford F150. Huge difference, and now have a "favorite" truck again.
I no longer have a worry (or issues of the OD "hunting") with distance driving with the camper in tow.
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04-07-2015, 06:30 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bucko
To the OP: when you brought the travel trailer home, how did it do? If it did not strain, swerve, or brake difficultly, then why worry what others are telling you?
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A little drive with the truck and trailer empty is a heck of a lot different than fully loaded with the family on board going over hill and dale.
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04-07-2015, 07:33 AM
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A lot of TVs are capable of "pulling" the load down the road. But if someone cuts you off, or some other emergency arises - a tire blowout, for example - are you confident that your TV will be able to "control" that load behind you? Will the tail be wagging the dog? This is something only you can answer, considering the safety of you, your loved ones in the TV with you, and others on the road.
Just something to think about.
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04-07-2015, 06:55 PM
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Handles just fine. Breaking is good. Driving under 80 kph is fine. it is only on The highway I am not so sure in for the fact in don't want to tear the truck up trying to pull something it should not. Pulled a lot of trailers driving truck for a moving company. Know how to handle the rig. More worried about power. And yes I know car trailers handle differently then tractor trailers.
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04-08-2015, 04:28 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Seann45
A little drive with the truck and trailer empty is a heck of a lot different than fully loaded with the family on board going over hill and dale.
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Sure. But you have to walk before you run.
One does need to do the homework required initially, and with calculated loads (including people, gear, food, TV and TT), verify you are within the limits. I believe the OP had done this, but was concerned with the overdrive shifting in and out, and the speeds they were able to manage. So if the driver is comfortable with the handling with everything in tow, that is a key step in the right direction. If there is any doubt, correct it.
How many folks here headed over to their RV store with a full camping gear load to "test drive" the newly purchased TT home? If I'm the oddball that did not do this, then my bad.
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04-08-2015, 05:13 AM
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One other consideration that most people do not think about - IF you should have an accident due to a blowout, crosswinds, etc, and your insurance company determines your TV was overloaded, they may use that as an excuse to deny payment. And we all know that's what insurance companies are best at - wiggling out of paying.
When I bought my Outback 29BHS some years ago, I found my 1500 Suburban was really overloaded and struggled to pull uphill and handle the load. When I upgraded to my 3/4-ton pickup, the difference was like night and day.
I'm going to guess that if you add up your actual tongue weight, gear, firewood, and other stuff in your truck bed, and all passengers, you are exceeding the GVWR for your truck. I always recommend doing that homework, but didn't this time. But in the end, the decision is yours.
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04-08-2015, 05:39 AM
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The gcvwr is 9000lbs. The owners manual post a 4000 lbs towing limit. So the trailer is just over 3000lbs the truck is just under 3000lbs. That leaves about 3000 lbs. For cargo and people. I have even check with the MTO and this is a legal set up in Ontario. Tires are fine and will take the weight and breaks work great on both TV and TT. And I know to keep 300lbs or less in the TT. I'm only worried about the motor and transmission
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04-08-2015, 09:18 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by crazy.canuck
The gcvwr is 9000lbs. The owners manual post a 4000 lbs towing limit. So the trailer is just over 3000lbs the truck is just under 3000lbs. That leaves about 3000 lbs. For cargo and people. I have even check with the MTO and this is a legal set up in Ontario. Tires are fine and will take the weight and breaks work great on both TV and TT. And I know to keep 300lbs or less in the TT. I'm only worried about the motor and transmission
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You assessment of how GCVWR being within the limit is flawed. The TT tongue weight + WD hitch weigh + any thing in the truck including passengers is what you need to watch closely. All of these items go against the trucks GVWR, and that is the limit you will exceed far before the GCVRW.
As for the transmission searching for a the correct gear when towing, if this happens frequently that will put undo wear on the transmission. When I towed with a 1500 gasser I kept it in 3rd always, OD was just tall of a gear.
It sounds like you might be at the limit of what your truck will support, if not exceeding one or more limits a bit. As we always suggest, you need to make a trip to the scales to confirm.
Simply saying you have 3000lbs for people and cargo is just wrong. My 2500 Durmax doesn't even have 3000lbs available for people and cargo.
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04-08-2015, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by clubhouse
You assessment of how GCVWR being within the limit is flawed. The TT tongue weight + WD hitch weigh + any thing in the truck including passengers is what you need to watch closely. All of these items go against the trucks GVWR, and that is the limit you will exceed far before the GCVRW.
Simply saying you have 3000lbs for people and cargo is just wrong. My 2500 Durmax doesn't even have 3000lbs available for people and cargo.
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Clubhouse is correct. The GCVWR is the weight limit your truck's powertrain is designed "pull," which is different than the GVWR, which is the weight limit (payload) your truck can safely "carry." Most RV salesmen try to confuse prospective buyers with the GCVWR, telling them, "your truck can pull this trailer easily." If they told them the truth, and pointed to the GVWR, folks would buy smaller, less expensive trailers, knowing they will have to upgrade their tow vehicle to pull the larger, more expensive trailer. It happens every day.
My 2500HD Crew Cab has a sticker inside the door that says my payload capacity is 3800#. That includes people, stuff in the bed, my truck topper, tongue weight, and the weight of the hitch itself (which isn't light!). THAT is the number that folks should be paying attention to. I know you have experience driving big rigs, but as you pointed out earlier, this is a different ball game.
But again, the choice is entirely up to you. Not trying to imply anything negative, I am simply looking out for a fellow RV'er. I just hope I've helped. That's my intent.
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04-08-2015, 03:29 PM
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Clubhouse, Scoutr2 gvrw is 5300 lbs and the truck is 2875. I know you need to watch the weight and I know I can't really pull my trailer and load 3000lbs in my truck. 4 people my hitch and some gear and cooler will not be over my limit. I know this is getting close to what the truck can take for weight. If it did not feel safe I would not do it. I have talked to people that have and still pull bigger and heaver trailers and say they have no problem. I don't think I would go any larger then what I got now with out a larger TV.
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