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Old 10-30-2017, 10:25 PM   #1
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Seneca storage bays

Hi all,

My wife and I are researching the Seneca with a purchase likely sometime within the next 12 months or so. Iíve looked at the specs available online but still have many questions.

Does the Seneca have heat for the storage bays? If not, how do you keep things from freezing on really cold nights especially when traveling?

Thanks in advance for your advise.

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Old 10-30-2017, 11:09 PM   #2
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The bays where the tanks and the water piping reside do receive heat when the furnace is running. I have been out in weather down to around 20 degrees at night and things have been fine. Daytime temperatures rose above freezing, so it wasn't days and days of subfreezing temps.

I have seen on this forum where other Seneca owners took steps to supplement the underbelly heat when they were in more severe conditions. I would likely add a couple of ceramic disc heaters underneath if I expected to be out for days below freezing.

Now in other compartments without tanks or water lines there is no heat. So if you plan to carry things that might freeze (water, pop, or food items) you may have to just carry it inside.
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Old 10-31-2017, 09:31 AM   #3
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I would likely add a couple of ceramic disc heaters underneath if I expected to be out for days below freezing.
One of those small, inexpensive (< $20) electric heaters from Walmart - even set on the low 500 watt setting, kept our Greyhawk basement at 60*F when it was low 20's outside.

I was surprised at how well it kept things toasty.
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We do a LOT of travelling in sub-freezing climate. Our rig is not winterized and we already have low temps in the 20's.

We did augment the heat in the lower compartments where the Fresh water and Black/Grey water reside. We attached these heaters to a sheet metal foot, and then the foot to the sidewall of the storage compartment. The sheet metal acts as a heat-shield and as a good attachment point to keep the heaters firmly in place while we go down the road.
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That is what I was thinking about doing too! Thanks for the pictures.
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Old 10-31-2017, 05:29 PM   #6
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Only compartment I worry about is the utility compartment where the water and sewer connections are. I added a 2 gallon electric water heater to use for short burst of hot water. It is not the best insulated and keeps the entire compartment warm as an added bonus. We leave the Seneca south and do a hot seat north at Christmas, we also bring the Seneca north with us at Thanksgiving. This enough to not have to winterize everything for the short time we are in southern Illinois. Our bad weather traditionally comes between Christmas and New Year.

Yes, it is a little bit of a gamble, but also my excuse to have to get south again, right away.
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Only compartment I worry about is the utility compartment where the water and sewer connections are. I added a 2 gallon electric water heater to use for short burst of hot water. It is not the best insulated and keeps the entire compartment warm as an added bonus. We leave the Seneca south and do a hot seat north at Christmas, we also bring the Seneca north with us at Thanksgiving. This enough to not have to winterize everything for the short time we are in southern Illinois. Our bad weather traditionally comes between Christmas and New Year.

Yes, it is a little bit of a gamble, but also my excuse to have to get south again, right away.
The Heaters you see us using are Peloins and they have a thermostat and three settings on how much wattage is being used. When the weather gets bitter cold, I can turn the wattage settings up.

We have taken a few trips in very cold country with this setup... the most vulnerable part of our plumbing now is the cold water line that comes from the Water Heater into the very rearward compartment. There are two sets of plumbing, one above the floor (that gets some of the heat from the furnace venting) and then a series of plumbing below the floor (in the storage compartment areas that do not get any heat from the furnace) Our heaters are intended to address the plumbing below the flooring.

In the picture... we are stopped overnight in Wendover NV on NewYears... the low temp was +7F We had no issues at all.
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Thanks to all for your info for keeping bays warm in cold temps. We are downsizing from a class A with heat to all compartments so trying to adjust my mindset.
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A common solution is to put a trouble light with a 60 watt incandescent bulb in the wet bay. Generates enough heat to ward off freezing temps. If ac outlet is not on inverter you would need to run generator when driving.
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