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Old 09-23-2016, 10:05 AM   #1
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This is probably a stupid question, but I'm a newbie and I'm trying to get things straight in my head about cargo carrying capacity. As I mentioned in a previous thread, my wife and I are likely buying an X17z tomorrow. I know the camper has a low cargo carrying capacity, and the reason for this is that they stripped it down somewhat so that a crossover SUV could pull it.

Here's what I'm looking at:

-Towing vehicle: 2015 Nissan Pathfinder, with a towing capacity of 5,000 lbs and a payload capacity of about 1,650 lbs.

-Camper: X17z, which weighs 2,785 lbs and has a cargo carrying capacity of 715 lbs.

Basically, if you add the X17z weight to its CCC, you get 3,600 lbs. If you add the payload capacity of the Pathfinder to that, you get a bit over the Pathfinder's limit of 5,000 lbs.

So ... given that, I should keep an eye on how much gear I put INTO the camper while going to my destination, and put any heavy gear into the Pathfinder. Is that correct?

Maybe it's because I'm a newbie and don't know much about this stuff, but that doesn't seem like it's going to be an issue. For instance, if we take a cooler that's filled with ice and drinks, that should go into the Pathfinder. I suspect the only things we'll have in the camper will be bedding, cooking gear, some dry food, extra emergency clothes, and maybe some play stuff for the kids (soccer ball, scooters, etc.) I don't see us doing much dry camping, so we won't need to fill the water tank on the camper.

Am I reading this all correctly?
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Old 09-23-2016, 10:12 AM   #2
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The figures quoted by rv manufacturers are computed guidelines. The real test will be to weigh it road ready at a scale.

Generally, I try to give myself some over capacity instead of seeing how close I can come to the rated capacity.

I think you will be close but there is no way to tell without some real figures to compare.
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My first 'real' camper was a X17z. Be very careful with it. Make sure you read that yellow sticker and understand what it says. Once I put the battery on the front and the hot water heater was filled w/ 6 gallons of water, I had around 350 pounds to play with. That's not a lot of stuff, and the rig is almost loaded to capacity right out of the gate.

I ALWAYS remark to my wife, if we had just stretched a little and went w/ the X19, we might still have it and saved a LOT of money in the long run.

Just food for thought.
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A couple of things to note.

Are you sure it weighs 2,785#? That seems light. With options it most likely over to 3000#. Check the yellow sticker on the side of the trailer.

You don't add the weight of the trailer and the payload of the TV. The payload of the Pathfinder is the total weight it can carry inside and on the hitch. So you subtract the tongue weight of the trailer, the weight of the WD hitch, your passsenger(s), dog, coller, etc. from the payload. So if your payload is 1200#, your tongue weighs 600#, WDH is 100#, that leaves you 500# for your wife, dog, cooler, etc in the Pathfinder.
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Here's what I'm looking at:

Basically, if you add the X17z weight to its CCC, you get 3,600 lbs. If you add the payload capacity of the Pathfinder to that, you get a bit over the Pathfinder's limit of 5,000 lbs.

So ... given that, I should keep an eye on how much gear I put INTO the camper while going to my destination, and put any heavy gear into the Pathfinder. Is that correct?


Am I reading this all correctly?
Please remember that what you put in the Pathfinder still drops its carrying capacity.. Even the weight of the passengers must be taken into account.. and the weight of the driver if over 150 lbs.
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This gives me a lot to think about, but I'm thinking I'll still be okay. As I said, one thing I don't expect to do is dry camp, so I'll use the water source at the campground, and dump all fluids before we leave.

Using the info that DocBrown gave, here's another go at the math:

My wife and kids weigh a total of about 325 lbs. right now (my 12-year-old son will grow, but my wife and daughter are pretty much done growing). The hitch weight is 395 lbs. Let's say the WD is 100 lbs. So, assuming my numbers are correct, that eats up 820 lbs of my vehicle's 1,650 lbs of payload capacity. That leaves 830 lbs., which seems like it should be enough to go camping for a few nights.

I know the X17z is considered "crossover SUV bait" by some, meaning it's designed to hook crossover drivers on the RV lifestyle, even though the trailer may not be sensible for some crossover towing capacities. But, I actually have a crossover with a good towing capacity. I like the X17z because it's the right size (weight, length, sleeping capacity) for us.
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Yes, you have the math right.

1650#? I'm very surprised by that, very high for an SUV of any size. My 1/2 ton PU with V8 engine has a payload of just over 1600#.
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Pretty much the most important numbers in all of this are your GAWR's; Gross Axle Weight Ratings. You've got 3 axles, and all of them need to be below their maximum weight rating. It is these 3 ratings that are used to compute pretty much everything else. Take Norty's advice and hit a CAT scale soon. Use the 3 pass routine so you know all your weights.


Remember that your Tow Vehicle Rear Axle Weight is measured with the WDH bars unhooked. Also remember that the maximum trailer weight is the weight on the axle PLUS the tongue weight. Your trailer axle rating is probably about 15% South of the maximum weight rating.
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1650#? I'm very surprised by that, very high for an SUV of any size. My 1/2 ton PU with V8 engine has a payload of just over 1600#.
I initially found that with a quick Google search for "2015 nissan pathfinder sv 4wd payload capacity". I looked in the Pathfinder's manual, and found nothing. I did just now find another source (2015 Nissan Pathfinder 4x4 - Price, Reviews, For Sale) that said the payload was 1,558. Either way, I've got a good bit of wiggle room for an ice chest and some luggage.
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Yes, you have the math right.

1650#? I'm very surprised by that, very high for an SUV of any size. My 1/2 ton PU with V8 engine has a payload of just over 1600#.
Shouldn't be surprised. These are 8 passenger SUV's, that is easily 1600# of payload in passenger alone. Here is a photo of the sticker from my Traverse - same class as the Path. SteveMM - check the sticker on the door of YOUR Path, don't look it up. The sticker is specific to your vehicle and includes all factory installed options etc. Anything you find on the internet is a best case number.

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