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Old 04-22-2016, 08:15 AM   #11
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So if you had your tires filled with helium (lighter than air), it would increase your payload capacity, right?
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Old 04-22-2016, 08:27 AM   #12
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The science behind the claims is accurate. As said it's why nitrogen is used in racing and airplane tires.

For consumer use not so much. The benefits are minuscule at best. So if it's free, go for it. If there is a cost behind it, spend your money on something else, like magnets for your gas line so you increase your mileage by 300%. It's true, I read it on the Internet!
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Old 04-22-2016, 08:31 AM   #13
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Bill/Doc, I think we can get you guys a cable TV show, or maybe a YouTube gig.

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Old 04-22-2016, 09:55 AM   #14
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Just another scam by tire dealers to get into you pockets. Another thing to get you into so oil changes etc can now include nit in your tires. Most of service centers and tire stores have the brochures on the counter and try to sell you the service. In my opinion it pretty much like selling extended warrantees, ends up being another way for the dealers and service centers to add a new revenue steam.
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The science behind the claims is accurate. As said it's why nitrogen is used in racing and airplane tires.

For consumer use not so much. The benefits are minuscule at best. So if it's free, go for it. If there is a cost behind it, spend your money on something else, like magnets for your gas line so you increase your mileage by 300%. It's true, I read it on the Internet!
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Old 04-22-2016, 10:18 AM   #15
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so if you had your tires filled with helium (lighter than air), it would increase your payload capacity, right?
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so if it's free, go for it. If there is a cost behind it, spend your money on something else, like magnets for your gas line so you increase your mileage by 300%. It's true, i read it on the internet!

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Thanks everyone for the input!
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Would I pay extra for it? No. But many places (like costco) do it as part of standard service. It has a benefit due to its dryness.
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It is true that the Nitrogen molecule is smaller than an oxygen molecule even though it is lower (lighter) on the periodic table.
Oxygen has more protons (positive charge) and therefore has a stronger attraction to its electrons which keeps the electron cloud pulled in closer.

Oxygen passes through rubber 3-4 times faster than nitrogen apparently.

But you can put me in the waste of money category as well. If its free go for it if not go buy something else with the money.

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It is true that the Nitrogen molecule is smaller than an oxygen molecule even though it is lower (lighter) on the periodic table.
Oxygen has more protons (positive charge) and therefore has a stronger attraction to its electrons which keeps the electron cloud pulled in closer.

Oxygen passes through rubber 3-4 times faster than nitrogen apparently.

But you can put me in the waste of money category as well. If its free go for it if not go buy something else with the money.

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Ok.... now that we're taking the science road...
In another topic the issue of propane 'escaping' from the system:
Do the 'rubber' hoses (I know, they aren't really rubber) allow molecules to migrate through? I suspect, yes, like oxygen through tires.
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I kinda find this an amusing thread because:
I know of 1 incident where a father gave his kid a new car(birthday present) and expected him to take care of it. After about 22 months my son checked the oil in his friends car before they took a 4 hour trip and was asked by his friend what he was doing. My son explained and found oil had never been checked or changed and air pressure never been checked in tires and never been rotated. Dip stick was dry and air down to a lot less than needed in every tire. Car was traded in when kid graduated high school a year later and they never had a problem with it. My son did explain about oil changes and checking tires. Not a recommended practice but it has been something we have laughed about for 15 years when it comes up.
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