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Old 06-04-2014, 08:58 AM   #11
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I agree on the tongue weight. My TV is the ecoboost max tow. My trailer is about 7,500lbs loaded. Pulling is not a problem. I have a family of 5 so cargo weight is the issue.

These TT don't offer much insulation and sound buffer. We can hear other campers music 100 yards away when we are trying to sleep. I would think a hybrid could even be worse about letting sound inside the trailer (if your doing that type of camping around other people). I find myself turning on the blower just to help with outdoor noise.
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Old 06-04-2014, 09:00 AM   #12
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We owned an X23B for roughly 2.5 yrs prior to upgrading to our 5th. We chose the 23B because of the size, short when folded but surprisingly big when the little slide and bunks were out. Loaded ours weighed in at 4800# (we never carried water) and we pulled with our '03 Expedition 5.4. The max trailer weight was 8K#, so we were well below that but weighing at the CAT scale revealed we were about 200# under the rear axle limit. No doubts about your F150 and the 23B but do your math carefully regarding the heavier TT.
Don't let your TT sales person tell you "no problems"!
A visit to the CAT scale will cost you $10 to weigh your truck which will tell you what the rear axle weighs. Subtract that from the Rear GAWR found on the door jamb sticker and you know how much cargo you can add. If you can visit a White Hawk in person you can read its yellow sticker and know its weight. Add a guesstimate to that for your "gear" (say 1000#) and multiply by .15 (15% of the weight should be on the tongue) and you have the load on the truck. If that number is comfortably less (to you) than the cargo calculation - then you should be good to go.
While we loved our 23B (2 Q-sized beds in 24' !) our biggest complaint was the shower.
Our plan from the beginning was to try the 23B to see if we liked TT-ing and upgrade it we did. All of this was planned in anticipation of my "graduation" (retirement).
We got 9-ish mpg so I'd expect you to get similar. The coldest weather we camped in was in the mid-20's and we were comfortable (did not have the belly cover). We used an electric space heater (1500W) which did a nice job of keeping up warm. I don't think we ever used the furnace in anger.
Which ever you choose, ENJOY!
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Old 06-04-2014, 08:10 PM   #13
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Thanks for the replies guys!
Just about all your comments are points that have been running through my head for months now. One thing I didn't consider was that I might have to make modifications to my truck. I planned on getting an Equalizer hitch with sway control, but I figured that would be about it. Rear end bounce with the White Hawk has been brought up a couple of times to me. And, I have a buddy who told me to get load rated tires in place of the factory tires if I go with a trailer that big.
Like RedHorse1 said in his post, I'm getting this trailer to see if I like this type of camping. If I do, I'm sure I'll upgrade. I'd hate to bite off more than I can chew, but that tends to be my nature! LOL
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Old 06-05-2014, 11:22 AM   #14
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I'd hate to bite off more than I can chew, but that tends to be my nature! LOL
Yeah, I know the name of that tune too.
One last point, when were discussing the trade with the dealer he seemed eager to get the 23B as the hybrids are pretty popular. I noted that ours sold in about a month. That may affect your resale/trade value when the upgrade happens.
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Old 06-05-2014, 12:22 PM   #15
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Agreed. I thought if the resale angle also. Both of the units I'm looking at have a high resale value. Probably more so with the hybrid simply because there are more vehicles that can tow it.
I fell in love with fifth wheels immediately when we were looking around at different units. I know the way I tend to escalate things. If I really like trailering, I know I'll have a different truck and a fifth wheel within five years. Lol
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Old 06-05-2014, 12:26 PM   #16
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One question not talked about much was about cool/cold weather camping. It really depending on what you call cold weather camping! We typically do not get out early spring as we did not have off street parking at our house for our 23B until just recently. But we extend our fall camping until November, and hopefully even later now. We have been out many times when the overnight lows are in the low 20ís and the highs are 40-50s. No issues at all, no frozen tanks or lines. We do keep the cabinet doors slightly ajar to ensure the pipes stay above freezing. I sleep on the outside edge of the tent. Personally I think it feels a little cool so I add an extra blanket, as my DW is a cover hog, (opps I did not say that did I??). I like being hot, so I may not be a good judge of cooler temps, 95 with equal humidity is just about right. Typically when it is getting cold we stay at places with electric, so we use aftermarket heated mattress pads. They work great! We also typically use an electric heater.

Things we like about the 23B, is it is small when closed, and very large when opened. It can back into just about any campsite, which gives us an incredible freedom of campsites. Gas stations are still nerve racking, but are fully doable. Three weeks ago we stopped at one station twice, if our unit was any larger I am not sure I would have been able to get gas there. The other station in that town was setup even worse for trailers.
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How has your fifth wheel experience been so far RedHorse1? I hear they tow nicely with all the pin weight directly on the rear axle. Do you tow with a duelly or SRW?
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I'm actually suprised that the hybrid does that well in cold temps. I have been in some on hot sunny days and they are really hot inside. I'm kind of worried about that. But, on the plus side, I see a huge advantage to having all those screens if it's hot out and you don't have electric available. I think my biggest hang up with the X23B is the cost. Hybrids are expensive for what you get. For about $4000 more I can get the White Hawk 28DSBH and all the amenities that come with it. From a purely $$$ point of view, the 28DSBH is by far the better value.
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How has your fifth wheel experience been so far RedHorse1? I hear they tow nicely with all the pin weight directly on the rear axle. Do you tow with a duelly or SRW?
We LOVE the 5th! Mostly because of the room. The living area is spacious. Towing is "different". The 5th will turn a corner tighter than the TV so I've scrubbed the curb several times. My right turn mantra is "wide and late". Left turns are a little easier but I still turn wide and late. Our TV is an F350 6.7 short bed. Get a long bed or a slider!
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The 5th weights in about 12800# and the 6.7 diesel pulls it nicely. That thing is an OX and it loves to pull. I'm seeing 12-13 mpg which I'm very happy with. It pulls very smooth and steady, we have the MorRyde pin box which I'm sure has a lot to do with the smoothness.
Like Jag I also sleep on the outside edge. We don't have the electric bed heaters but use a blanket and king-size down comforter when it's cold. The wiener dog gets me up between 0530 and 0630 for a little "walk" and I turn up the space heater for the bride.
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