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Old 09-13-2014, 08:36 PM   #11
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the 3460 is just the weight of the trailer that is on the "axle"...there is still weight on the tongue that has to be added to it
NB.....I'm sorry, everything just slapped me in the head. I just re-read the sticky slowly and carefully again. I ran all the numbers and it all makes sense. No, the buyer didn't run but I'm more concerned about their safety than just selling my trailer. And it may be me over analyzing everything. They are new to camping and I would like this to be an enjoyable experience for them.

Thanks again for clarification on everything. I learned a few things today. who said you couldn't teach an old dog new tricks.
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Old 09-13-2014, 08:47 PM   #12
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Don't be sorry....That's what this place is for.
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Old 09-14-2014, 12:08 AM   #13
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Camping Couple,

Great job at the CAT scales

Referencing your CAT results, please note the following. You can match the individual weights to your (3) independent weigh-ins.

Tongue Weight: (3,460lbs + 3,620lbs) - 6,600lbs = 480lbs

Gross TT Weight: 10,520lbs - 6,600lbs = 3,920lbs (includes tongue weight)

Gross TT Weight: 10,540lbs - 6,600lbs = 3,940lbs (includes tongue weight)

Note: The delta between 10,520lbs and 10,540lbs is do to CAT scale error, in reality they should be the same gross weight value. CAT scales have an approx. 40lb plus/minus tolerance, so this can effect weights from one weigh-in to another.

Yellow Sticker Comparison: 3,940lbs (CAT) - 3,890lbs (Yellow Sticker)= 50lb Delta

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snip......Am I correct saying the tongue weight remains the same?
As it's presently set-up, the tongue weight on the hitch ball for the most part remains a constant, the weight over the TV axle is what is distributed (effect of tongue weight being placed on the hitch ball). Since we all have different loading habits, the tongue weight will change once the new owner starts loading the TT.

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snip..... recommendations on a WDH set up for the buyer?
The 2013 Jay Feather 197 has a GVWR of 4,750lbs, with a CAT weight of 3,940lbs this leaves 810lbs for cargo. Again, we all have different loading habits, but IMO a 500lb cargo load would be realistic for a family (4,440lbs total). If the new owner travels with a full fresh water tank, add another 238lbs (4,678lbs total).

So, I would use the GVWR of 4,750lbs (worst case) for sizing a WDH. RV/WDH manufactures recommend a 10% to 15% loaded tongue weight range (of TT weight), so 475lb to 712lb range......, IMO a WDH rated at 800lbs would be adequate, a 1,000lb rating would be ok if the owner expects to maintain a heavy tongue weight (high end of range).

If it should come up, and the new owner doesn't plan to tow with a full tank, then an "assumed" TT weight of 4,440lbs = 444lb to 666lb tongue weight range, a WDH rated at 800lbs is still a good choice.

Hope you don't mind the detail, thought it might be helpful.

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Old 09-14-2014, 07:03 AM   #14
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The extra 50 pounds from the yellow sticker to the actual scale weight is likely the 6 gallons of water in your heater unless you emptied it.

I mentioned the 1000 bars for the Equalizer because they do not have an 800.....600 and 1000 are the choices and 600 is too low in this case

especially since they will be towing at max with a Cherokee they need one of the "best" WDH on the market IMO
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Rustic, NB....you guys are awesome! This experience really opened my eyes. We have a 24 FBS on the way and take delivery in 2 weeks. Although I am towing with a 3/4 ton, I still want to know the numbers. I think on our new TT I may have to change out the spring bars. They are rated for GTW 10,000 lbs and TW 600 lbs. I'm not sure what the TW is on the FBS. I'll see in a few weeks.
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Just disconnect and the TT weight on the scale will make it clear for you. Posters are telling you that there is weight transfer to the TV when you're on the ball.
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Camping Couple,

With your knowledge of using the CAT scale I'm confident that your new TV/TT (24FBS) combination will be set-up properly under loaded conditions as well.

Don't forget to post pics of that new TT!!

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There is no question the new trailer will or at least should have a TW over 600 lbs. If your bars are only 600 you should trade up. They unlikely will transfer much weight to the front but with your HD it may not need much.
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If you would like a spreadsheet to plug & chug the numbers for you, I set one up a couple years ago I'd be happy to email you. It will detail the weights, show how effective your wdh is transferring axle weights, and with the vehicle's axle ratings, show exactly your rig is doing. I leave it in my Google docs file on my smart phone so I can see it on the fly if I need to. Shoot me your email and I'd be happy to send it to you (or anyone else who would find it handy)
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