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Old 02-06-2015, 07:27 AM   #41
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Payload is a marketing number. Through the years all these numbers have moved up every year when in fact the basic platform (generations) have only changed a few times. I suppose a different type of paint allows more payload than last years paint color. I think red has the potential to increase payload the most, perhaps green but I can't prove that anymore than the big three can justify why 1/2 tons of 10 years ago are 1 tons today. Its about selling trucks.

spring travel and tire load range is payload.
You may be right, but if my insurance company and the DOT are happy with it, then I'm down the road.....
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Old 02-06-2015, 08:41 AM   #42
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Not sure how that is when the frames on today's trucks are completely different than those of just a few years ago. Example - Ram changed their HD frames to 50k psi cold steel and changed the design about 2 years ago...(along with other factors I am sure) jumped their payload way up. But the main component (frame) has changed significantly over the last few years...I think Chevy also uses 50k psi cold steel now as well?
There is not a third party approval process on these numbers, no national testing lab, no unified spec with standardized tests. This is not medium or heavy trucks they are in fact cars that can carry stuff.
The stickers do not reference a single DOT standard and in fact they have instead a statement that says complies with all DOT standards in effect on date of manufacture. Those specs are side crash, front crash, safety belts and things like that. MAnufacturers can make any claim they choose they choose to make up to an including that you look better in their truck than you do in any other truck.

With that said. For legal reasons we should pay attention to the stickers.
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Old 02-06-2015, 09:01 AM   #43
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There is not a third party approval process on these numbers, no national testing lab, no unified spec with standardized tests. This is not medium or heavy trucks they are in fact cars that can carry stuff.
The stickers do not reference a single DOT standard and in fact they have instead a statement that says complies with all DOT standards in effect on date of manufacture. Those specs are side crash, front crash, safety belts and things like that. MAnufacturers can make any claim they choose they choose to make up to an including that you look better in their truck than you do in any other truck.

With that said. For legal reasons we should pay attention to the stickers.
Interesting..I did not know that. Would the specs fall under the new J2807 standard, or is that for something else?
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It would be interesting to do J2807 tests with trucks towing over the given GVW. My guess is that they would all pass the test with the exception of some 1/2 tons.
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All these trucks have some sort of warranty so the manufacturer is guaranteeing that the truck can carry or tow that weight for a specified number of miles or years. If someone grossly overrated their vehicle they would get a lot of warranty returns wouldn't they?
I agree that they aren't just marketing numbers. Better brakes, frames, engines, transmissions, sway control, tires, etc..... It all has to add up to more capability.
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I picked up my new 2015 Ram 2500 from the dealership on friday. The door sticker says 2,975 pounds of payload. This has the 6.4 liter gas motor, crew cab, long box, four wheel drive, and the coil spring suspension. I debated between the 2500 and 3500, but I went with the 2500 because I liked the coil spring suspension ride better. My pinweight loaded is around 2,200 to 2,300 pounds loaded heavy, and plan to keep this trailer for many years. I can see how payload capacity runs out fast, as my fifth wheel is not a huge one. For my application, the 2500 fits the bill. But it's all about your payload needs really.
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My comments are not meant to say that marketing driven numbers are not backed up by engineering and inhouse testing. I just personally do not fully trust self certification. However the truck wars have become silly enough to cause even the industry to begin a process of standardizing tests. I think they better do something by 3rd party before light duty trucks exceed the specs of medium duty.
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Yes, the interesting thing about my truck is the rear axle is rated by the manufacturer (Dana) at 16000lbs, but the trucks RAGWR is just over 9000lbs -- I'd have thought that all the parts would be around the same rating as the whole -- otherwise your just wasting money since the weakest link determines the total.
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Yes, the interesting thing about my truck is the rear axle is rated by the manufacturer (Dana) at 16000lbs, but the trucks RAGWR is just over 9000lbs -- I'd have thought that all the parts would be around the same rating as the whole -- otherwise your just wasting money since the weakest link determines the total.
Partly true, but it's cheaper to by an off the shelf axle than have a custom run for a line. It's also cheaper to order in quantity. Same axle for the whole 2500/3500 line gets steeper discounts than a different axle for each model.

Much of the time it has to do with the truck classification. EG Class 2 trucks(think 250/2500) have (GVWR) ranges from 6001–10000 lb. Class 3 trucks(think 350/3500) have (GVWR) ranges from 10001–14000 lb.
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My info

I tip the scales at 7362 with a full tank, me, and tonneau cover installed. Leaves me with 2,638.

950-980 lbs tongue weight
100 lbs hitch
270lbs of other human
40 lbs of "junk"
85 lbs generator
120 lbs fuel
250 lbs firewood

Right at 700 lbs of available payload capacity.
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I am just curious about the actual payload of 3/4 and 1 ton trucks.

I moved up to a 2015 F250 last summer as our F150 payload wasn't cutting it.
Our F250 is a crew cab short box with the 6.2L gas engine and has a payload of 2749lbs. I am looking for the door jamb number not a number from a brochure for your model truck. When we bought our truck the salesman didn't even know that the brochure number wasn't accurate and kept quoting that to me. I kept trying to explain to him that it wasn't.

One of the trucks I test drove was a F350 Lariat with the diesel and the payload was just over 2000lbs I think. I mentioned this to him and he argued about it and I finally said go out to your lot and look! He came back a bit sheepish. I was really surprised it was that low myself.

What is the payload of your diesel 250/2500? And any other 250/2500 or 350/3500 trucks? Please give specs if they aren't in your sig.

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My F350 was rated for 2950 payload but in actuality with all the options and Diesel engine I ended up with a 1,700lb payload. Same as my '14 F150. This was an 02 F350 Crew Cab LB 7.3 Lariat 4x4. Sure the truck could carry a lot more than that but not legally.
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