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Old 06-07-2013, 03:37 PM   #1
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Towing a Jay Feather ultra lite X17Z options

I am looking at buying this TT. My TV is a 2005 Honda Odyssey which is rated for 3,500 lbs. Is there anyone else out there pulling with this type of vehicle, or any vehicle rated for 3,500 lbs. towing capacity? I currently pull a StarCraft AR-ONE which is rated ~2,700 lbs. empty. I do have a stabilizer hitch. Is there anything I should be aware of? Do I have enough vehicle to pull this. I wouldn't be pulling it much further then 4 hours trips and relatively flat roads.

Do I need a transmission cooler or any additional air bags?

I don't want to buy this before I know if I can safely pull this. The dealership tells me I can pull it, but I would like to know from you folks.

Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

On another note, I see the Jensen sound system doesn't have any cords coming out of it. I assume would have to drill a hole in the side of the cabinet to pull these cables out to use the DVD to hook it up to my tv?
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Old 06-07-2013, 04:15 PM   #2
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Although not an x17z, here is our experience with the Honda.

We towed a 17' Casita Standard fiberglass tt with our 2006 Honda Odyssey Touring. It has a tow package, but in order to tow we still needed to add an engine/transmission cooler as well as radiator cooler so our engine wouldn't overheat (sorry, my non-mechanic techy mind can't remember which, but the mechanic installed two different coolers). Loaded, our tt weighed in at about 3,200lbs. The thing with the Honda Odyssey though is you only have 300lbs max on the hitch.

Our experience with that set-up... (for the most part, never knew the tt was back there).
-on flat/hilly terrain, the tt towed as though it wasn't there (we did use overdrive on the hills). Just know that if during your ownership of that set-up you do wind up driving a grade, you will bog down. Going down the other side of the grade if five to seven percent left us 'white knuckling' it. Just start out at 45mph at the top of the grade and use lower gears and 'flashers' and you should do well.
-we definitely needed the wdh, however, the tt towed better without the stabilizing bars! Never needed the stabilizing bars even in wind.
-our gas mileage while towing dropped to 14mpg. In a headwind on the interstates or traveling grades, it could drop to 10mpg.
-traveling 60-65mph on the interstate... never felt the big rigs blow past us
-not sure if your '05 have the same exterior mirrors as our '06, but it was tough to find extension mirrors that would fit and stay put on the mirrors while driving.

One thing to consider... you only have a few hundred pounds storage before you max out at 3500lbs with the x17z. Welcome to the JOF and happy shopping
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Old 06-07-2013, 06:10 PM   #3
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I am looking at buying this TT. My TV is a 2005 Honda Odyssey which is rated for 3,500 lbs. Is there anyone else out there pulling with this type of vehicle, or any vehicle rated for 3,500 lbs. towing capacity? I currently pull a StarCraft AR-ONE which is rated ~2,700 lbs. empty. I do have a stabilizer hitch. Is there anything I should be aware of? Do I have enough vehicle to pull this. I wouldn't be pulling it much further then 4 hours trips and relatively flat roads.

Do I need a transmission cooler or any additional air bags?

I don't want to buy this before I know if I can safely pull this. The dealership tells me I can pull it, but I would like to know from you folks.

Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

On another note, I see the Jensen sound system doesn't have any cords coming out of it. I assume would have to drill a hole in the side of the cabinet to pull these cables out to use the DVD to hook it up to my tv?

There are way too many variables for anyone to give you an idea. Given the fact that you have a minivan I'm going to assume you have a number of kids. More kids = more weight in the van. More kids = more clothes, toys food which = more weight.

Add all of that weight in addition to the weight of the loaded x17z tongue on your van and I can only assume you'd be over the gross weight rating for your minivan.

We towed an x17z with a 5,000 lb rated 4Runner. It did it but we weren't thrilled with the setup. We sold the x17z after one season and then bought a larger camper and a half ton. We feel a lot safer. A story follows.....

About a year ago I was following my brother as he was towing the x17z with his 5,000 lb rated 4Runner. It was him, his wife and 2 young boys in the car. We had a weight distributing hitch and a sway bar. So I was following him in the slow lane of the highway and we were doing about 50. In my mirror I saw a coach bus or semi, I forget exactly coming in the lane to our left. It passed us doing about 60-65 I assume. Let me tell you that the x17z swayed back and forth in the lane about a foot in either direction. It scared the crap out of me as I saw it in front of me. It settled down and all was well.

20 minutes later we arrived at the campground and I relayed my story to my brother and his family. He said he never felt a thing in the truck. Nothing at all.

I guess the moral of my story is that just because you don't feel anything in the truck, it doesn't mean it's a safe towing experience.

Bare minimum in your situation, I'd consider a mid size SUV like a 4Runner, Explorer, Durango, etc.... A larger SUV like an Expedition, Armada, or a pickup are better options. You can also get those large commercial passenger vans too.
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Old 06-07-2013, 11:31 PM   #4
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IMO the X17Z may be to much trailer for your Honda.

Please note:

The X17Z has a 2,785lb UVW and a 3,500lb GVWR. The actual Ship Weight (yellow sticker on trailer) of the trailer will be higher than the UVW (possibly by a couple hundred pounds). As mentioned, a limited cargo capacity will easily push the loaded weight of the X17Z to it's GVWR weight of 3,500lbs, especially with a family.

RV and WDH manufactures recommend a 10% to 15% loaded tongue weight (of trailer loaded weight), so at 3,500lbs this would be 350lbs to 525lbs........ which is above the Honda's specified 300lb maximum.

NOTE: The trailer's loaded tongue weight is supported by the tow vehicle, so the tongue weight will act as "cargo" weight in your Honda.

The Honda's published Tow Rating of 3,500lbs is based on the "Curb Weight" which includes a driver at 150lbs and all fluids filled. The combined weights of the Honda's options, passengers, and cargo have to be subtracted from the 3,500lb published tow rating to get the "actual" tow rating.

To eliminate a lot of the "weight" guess work, take your Honda to a CAT scale and weigh it under "loaded" conditions. Subtract the CAT scale weight from your Honda's GVWR that is noted on your driver's door..., the remaining weight is for the trailer's tongue weight and any other weight not account for at the CAT scale (cargo, passenger, etc.).

If you know the "curb weight" of your Honda, subtract the curb weight from the CAT scale weight, then subtract the remaining weight from the 3,500lb Tow Rating to get your "actual" tow rating.

I realize this is a lot of info to digest, hopefully it will aid in your decision process.

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Old 06-08-2013, 06:22 AM   #5
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I would want a little bit higher towing capacity in the TV for the X17z.

We tow our X17z with a Chevy Astro Van that is tow rated at 5,000 lbs. Having taken it out on twelve trips at this point, I can assure you I wouldn't want any less towing capacity than we have with the Astro, and I would feel more comfortable if we had more. As soon as it is financially feasible, we want to upgrade the TV to a Chevy Express rated at 6,500 lbs.

I would be very concerned safety wise that Your Odyssey can make a safe and comfortable job pulling that trailer.
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The Odyssey/17Z would not make a good safe combo period. Larry
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Welcome to the forum. I would not attempt towing with that combo. 3500 lbs on a utility trailer and 3500 lbs worth of high profile travel trailer are two completely different situations. I wouldn't hesitate to pull a loaded popup with the Ody ( I have in the past with our '03 Odyssey ) but not a TT up there around 10' tall. Our factory tow package consisted of the receiver hitch, wiring harness, transmission oil cooler and power steering cooler.

Remember that TT manufacturers are only interested in selling TT's. Just because their trailer weighs 3000# off the line doesn't mean you can tow it with a minivan rated for 3500#.
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The Odyssey/17Z would not make a good safe combo period. Larry
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I had a 3500# front driver and on the way home from the dealer with my new 17Z decided that it will be too much for the CUV when loaded. Bought my truck before the first trip with the 17Z.
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Old 06-15-2013, 08:16 AM   #9
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I wouldn't recommend towing a 17Z with any minivan.
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Old 06-18-2013, 10:24 AM   #10
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i TOWED MY 17z WITH A gm uPLANDER, RATED AT 3500 BECAME OBVIOUS THAT IT DIDNT HAVE THE POWER THE FIRS YEAR WE TOWED. i UPGRADED TO A TOYOTA HIGHLANDER WITH TOW PACKAGE RATED AT 5000 BIG DIFFERENCE. I TRADED IN THE UPLANDER AND FELT BAD THAT THE TRANNY WAS SLIPPING A BIT PROBABLY CAUSED BY THE STRESS OF OUR TOWING.
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