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Old 04-06-2014, 08:32 AM   #11
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Your biggest problem will be truing to figure out the laws in different states. In Iowa you can go 70ft. but only with a "5th wheel hitch" not a gooseneck. If you ask a State Trooper he will most likely tell you 60 ft. I went to the state transportation web sites and searched for the states I would most likely travel in with my cargo trailer. It took a while but I found what I needed and had it in writing. Some of the charts I found on different sites did not have the same info that the State sites had.
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Old 04-06-2014, 08:41 AM   #12
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Twistzz, on your 2013, I assume it didn't come with the receiver hitch, but what did your owner's manual say? As I said above, mine said putting a hitch on the FW would void the warranty but I didn't have a problem in the two years and my warranty is now expired. On our older FW, 1993 Eagle 215SD, we towed anywhere from a 2,000 boat and trailer combo up to a 5,000 boat and trailer combo with no problems.
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Old 04-06-2014, 09:04 AM   #13
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Our 2012 HT had a notice in the owner's manual that adding a hitch would void the frame warranty. We went to a professional welder who reinforced the I-Beams about six feet toward the axle and fabricated a hitch from very heavy duty metal. The total deal took him about four hours and included wiring a plug-in for the boat trailer. The total cost was just a little over $500. We have towed for two summers, 2012 and 2013 and I noticed that the FW rode a bit differently when I put the boat on it behind the Ram, but it tows beautifully with the GMC. In my picture above, I think you can notice a bit of a squat with the Ram that is not there with the GMC. I do believe Ram has stepped up their towing capacity with the 2014 trucks.
Thanks for the pictures. Both rigs look great but the colors do match better in the bottom picture. I am partial to Rams though. I have a 2007 Dodge Ram 2500, one of the last with the 5.9 Diesel. My 5th wheel is a 2014 Jayco 33.5RETS so the weight is already up there. However, my fishing rig is a 16' Tracker Grizzly with stick steer and a 40 hp Johnson so the weight on that cannot be too much to add. The fifth wheeler and trailer add about 55 more feet to the truck length so gonna be pushing close to 75 feet all hooked up. I guess I am just a little leery of hauling all that down the road. Going on a two hour trip this morning to Cotton Hill Campground on Lake Eufala. Either gonna have to make a 4 hour round trip twice to get the boat there and back, or rent a rig.
Thanks to all for your input. Gonna check out the manual too but it would be a professional weld and hitch job if I do it.
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Old 04-06-2014, 11:14 AM   #14
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JAL0710 Yah same thing on the warrantee. Guy at the dealer said go for it and just don't point it out when you have service. Kinda flaky, also that's the reason we got it and the salesmen even got the first quote for me, should have recorded him. Not too worried anyway on the warrantee, have it pretty broke in with no major issues so far knock on wood. Have less than a year left on it anyway. Really do like the rig though!
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Old 04-06-2014, 12:11 PM   #15
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It is odd that the HT 23.5rbs had a factory rear receiver back in 2012 and now finally all the HT line have the rear receiver added. Don't know why one couldn't have one put on an older model without voiding warranty if the dealer did it, since I doubt that Jayco has changed the frame any.
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Old 04-07-2014, 01:45 PM   #16
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I wouldn't hitch anything to the bumper on a 5th wheel. Since a receiver hitch wasn't an option for my 5th, I took it into a shop that my dealer, as well as many other dealers, recommend for hitch installation. Yes, it did void my frame warranty, but since Lippert makes my frame as well, I figured if Jayco can do it, so can I. Especially after I saw how Jayco just bolts the hitch right to the end of the frame rails. He welded in three cross members and welded the draw bar to them. Nothing is attached to the bumper.
Also attached is a picture of the states that do and don't allow pulling doubles.







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I hope more follow your example

I hope more follow your example. I see lots of rigs similar to what you mention on bumper hitches. Makes me nervous seeing them on the road.
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I've been pulling a boat behind my 5er for over 20 years. Each state is different regarding their regulations; overall length, hitch configurations, etc. Many things to consider have already been brought up; trailer warranty, what kind of hitch is installed on your coach, etc. As an FYI, some coaches like Hitchhiker supply receiver hitches as an option. From my experiences here are some of my recommendations and observations (some of these items might be regulations depending on locale):
  1. Know the regulations where you are and where you plan to travel before making any trip.
  2. Don't exceed the limitations of your TV, consider the total of both trailers.
  3. Never use two ball hitches, even if legal. Always use a pin in front of a ball.
  4. Make sure the rear trailer is visible in the mirrors both in daylight and after dark.
  5. Both trailers need brakes. Many boats can be equipped with surge brakes. (A very small, light trailer like those for a jet ski might exempt this, but then you risk breaking #4.)
  6. Don't exceed the limitations of your 5th Wheel hitch, or its mount to the TV.
  7. Know the turning radius of the rig - tongue lengths and axle configurations typically means that the rear trailer swings in a different circumference than the front trailer. The first trailer might safety pass and obstacle, but the rear trailer still hit it.
  8. Make sure the receiver on the 5th wheel is adequately supported both laterally and horizontally. I've seen robust welds break where you wouldn't think they would. A bumper hitch is NOT a viable option.
  9. Don't pull to any location you don't know where it exits. Unless you have magical skill, backing up more than a few feet without jack knifing the rig is impossible. Turning around means having enough room to circle completely, or disconnecting each trailer and turning them independently and then reconnecting them.
  10. A tandem axle rear trailer will sway less than a single axle trailer. Although true even directly behind a TV, this is amplified by the length of the first trailer's initial sway.
I'm sure that others that have towed a second trailer can think of some other things. Perhaps they may disagree with some too, but hopefully this will give you a little more food for thought. Safe travels!
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I hope more follow your example. I see lots of rigs similar to what you mention on bumper hitches. Makes me nervous seeing them on the road.
I agree. It looks like Bobx2 did it right. Here is a picture of the receiver I had built and mounted to my coach by a local fabrication/welding shop. It's hard to tell in the poor picture (and the stabilizer bolted under it), but the receiver bolts directly to rails welded to the I-beams with 4 bolts on each side.

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Here are a couple of pictures of my hitch, put on early in 2012. It doesn't have two bars across the trailer, but the one holding it is pretty stout and has a bunch of little supports on the crossmember as well as the receiver itself.
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