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Old 07-13-2016, 03:17 PM   #31
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Even Tractor Trailers are going with Automatic Transmissions.
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Sickening.....
No it's not. It makes economic sense or they wouldn't do it. The newer slush pumps can actually get better fuel mileage and it doesn't cost the trucking firms as much to train drivers to properly drive sticks, especially crash boxes.
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Old 07-13-2016, 03:30 PM   #32
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''Probably none. I Borrowed one of those to help a friend move. Never got the hang of three-on-the-tree. 2nd and R kept changing places.''

Like many things its actually very easy once you get the hang of it. Its still an "H' pattern like on the floor just sideways and 3 speed instead of 4, but if you go back aways you can find 3 speeds on the floor were once offered. The shifter will slide easily into second on the upswing, but you have to pull up and in to get reverse.
I first learned how to drive a stick on my Daddy's F100 with a 240" six and three on the tree. I even learned to double clutch down into first while still rolling without grinding the gears.

You haven't lived until you try to shift five on the tree. When I first started working on a line crew (I wasn't strong and redneck enough for that job, so I moved into warehousing for the next 30 years), I was assigned to drive a street light pole rig. It was a small 30' semitrailer pulled by a tiny IH cabover tractor (the darned thing was older than me). The engine was a 223" Ford (IH never made their own running gear) with a five speed main shifted from a column shifter and a four speed brownie shifted from the top of the dog house. The linkage for the brownie was cable so it was a bit temperamental (fortunately, the loads were light enough I could just leave it in direct and use granny only when driving in mud). The column shifter linkage was so flimsy, it felt like shifting with a rubber golf club. You couldn't feel the gates; you just had to remember where they were once you found them.
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Old 07-13-2016, 03:42 PM   #33
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I'll comment on 2 aspects of this thread:
1) Automatic Transmissions. Someone asked about the newer ones. I have a 2016 F150 6 speed and the transmission is smarter than my phone (and that's saying a lot).
Transmissions no longer just look at RPM's and engine compression to make shifting decisions.
This transmission is totally integrated with and probably controlled by the onboard computer.
It has a "Tow/Haul" mode (button on the shifter) that when engaged:
Completely eliminates gear hunting.
"Knows" when the cruise control is engaged and shifts accordingly.
It also knows the angle of climb/decent of the vehicle and takes that into account in making shifting decisions (you can see the angle on the dash display).
It provides engine braking automatically when going downhill and it detects that you are trying to maintain or decrease speed (ie it watches the angle/application of brakes/etc.).

I love the thing - my only critique is that sometimes its more aggressive with the engine braking than I would like.

It also has a "Sport" mode (same button) for when you're not towing and you decide to drag race that Porche in the next lane (total waste in my opinion - can't imagine why a pickup would need a "sport" mode ).

2) Airbags.
I'm convinced I'm alive today because of airbags.
Seatbelts don't help a damn when a college kid, playing with the radio, crosses the center line and does an unintentional PIT maneuver on you at 60mph spinning you around and into a pine tree. 60 to 0 in .001 seconds. Rear axle ripped off, most of the sheet metal off the drivers side, trunk where the back seat used to be, motor UNDER the car. Whole vehicle pretty much unrecognizable and my wife and I both walked away.
Trust me - seat belts would have helped very little in this accident. But ALL the airbags went off and we just bounced between them.
Funny thing is - the Toyota Camry was only a month old. When we bought it, very few models on the lot had the side impact airbags. I told my wife she just might have to "settle" for one without to get the color she wanted. She took a color she didn't like to get the airbags.
As only DW's can do - she's never let me forget that "settle" comment :-).
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Old 07-13-2016, 04:00 PM   #34
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I'll comment on 2 aspects of this thread:
1) Automatic Transmissions. Someone asked about the newer ones. I have a 2016 F150 6 speed and the transmission is smarter than my phone (and that's saying a lot).
Transmissions no longer just look at RPM's and engine compression to make shifting decisions.
This transmission is totally integrated with and probably controlled by the onboard computer.
It has a "Tow/Haul" mode (button on the shifter) that when engaged:
Completely eliminates gear hunting.
"Knows" when the cruise control is engaged and shifts accordingly.
It also knows the angle of climb/decent of the vehicle and takes that into account in making shifting decisions (you can see the angle on the dash display).
It provides engine braking automatically when going downhill and it detects that you are trying to maintain or decrease speed (ie it watches the angle/application of brakes/etc.).

I love the thing - my only critique is that sometimes its more aggressive with the engine braking than I would like.

It also has a "Sport" mode (same button) for when you're not towing and you decide to drag race that Porche in the next lane (total waste in my opinion - can't imagine why a pickup would need a "sport" mode ).

2) Airbags.
I'm convinced I'm alive today because of airbags.
Seatbelts don't help a damn when a college kid, playing with the radio, crosses the center line and does an unintentional PIT maneuver on you at 60mph spinning you around and into a pine tree. 60 to 0 in .001 seconds. Rear axle ripped off, most of the sheet metal off the drivers side, trunk where the back seat used to be, motor UNDER the car. Whole vehicle pretty much unrecognizable and my wife and I both walked away.
Trust me - seat belts would have helped very little in this accident. But ALL the airbags went off and we just bounced between them.
Funny thing is - the Toyota Camry was only a month old. When we bought it, very few models on the lot had the side impact airbags. I told my wife she just might have to "settle" for one without to get the color she wanted. She took a color she didn't like to get the airbags.
As only DW's can do - she's never let me forget that "settle" comment :-).
You are a lucky man. My uncle died in a very similar crash. Side impact with a light pole right in the driver's side front door.

As for ABS, when is wheel lock EVER a good thing when braking? Oh yeah, never. I'll trust my life to that computer that allows me to stop in the shortest distance possible, and when the SHTF, I'm pushing that peddle through the floor board as hard as I can. It's already saved my wife and I at least once from certain collision.
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Maybe you'd be happier if we could do a search and find you a nicely restored '63 Chevy one ton truck with a granny four speed. It wouldn't have any of the modern conveniences, the brakes would suck, and it would ride like a log wagon, but you could really relish the driving experience.

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Bingo, we have a winnah!
Mike, he's found your new ride!
That might be the ticket for him if he can get the SWMBO's permission.
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Old 07-14-2016, 06:41 AM   #36
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Maybe you'd be happier if we could do a search and find you a nicely restored '63 Chevy one ton truck with a granny four speed. It wouldn't have any of the modern conveniences, the brakes would suck, and it would ride like a log wagon, but you could really relish the driving experience.



That might be the ticket for him if he can get the SWMBO's permission.
Not a '63 but a 1973 to 1987 'square body' Chevy Suburban K10 Custom Deluxe....
New frame (they're available), minimal rust body from Arizona or New Mexico. Totally rebuild the axles and transfer case. New Cummins engine and 6 speed manual transmission. Use all modern/standardized accessories. Same $60K and 6 months wait as a brand new truck!

Where's the downside?

And I don't need her permission to spend my money. I already have her blessing to take the load off her truck.
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You really want a standard? OK buy your truck then order one of these and install it.. they claim to be on of the best std's on the market
https://www.summitracing.com/int/sea...-transmissions

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You really want a standard? OK buy your truck then order one of these and install it.. they claim to be on of the best std's on the market
https://www.summitracing.com/int/sea...-transmissions

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Cute.

Spend $60,000+ on a brand-new truck. Then another $3,000 for a manual kit. Then $2,000 in labor for somebody to gut-and-rebuild the most critical system?

I may be pig-headed, but I won't waste money that way.
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Mike I kinda know what you’re talking about. I have an automatic, because my DW hates to drive, and refuses to drive a stick. All of our regular street cars are automatics. I sold my last truck, because it was a stick shift. I do have to admit, when I want 4 wheel drive, I like an automatic, but I do not plow, and I do not do any extreme 4 wheeling, it is just for getting me around. Pulling trees, and other light work, along with getting my HTT, backed up my driveway, that would be harder with a stick, as it is one more thing to think about. My driveway is narrow, hilly, retaining walls on two sides in places, 6 foot fence in some areas and a brick house in other areas. It just a tough, approach, which I have torn off my mirror extensions and could see scraping up bumpers due to how narrow my driveway is, but that is a whole other issue.

When I look for a truck, I want a truck, not a luxury car. I just want the basics, I want vinyl floors (no carpet), I don’t need or want power locks or windows. NO moon roof thing that leaks (mine has leaked from day one), Fabric seats are great, and comfortable. AC and heat are a must. Stereo would be nice, AM/FM radio is good enough. I have a CD player in my current TV, my DW has placed a CD in it 2 or 3 times in 9 years. 4 wheel drive is a must. Transmission, I really do not care, but I like driving a stickshift, the DW does not. But backing up my htt, up my driveway is easier with an automatic (a plus for an auto).

Now days, they are making trucks into luxury cars and SUVs. If I drove my truck every day and put thousands of miles on it a month, I would want a lot more luxuries. But it is a truck, not an SUV, or a car. But manufactures know that the younger generation especially want or feel entitled and want every feature and every luxury, and do not really care about how they are going to pay for it.

I guess this is my rant!

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Not a '63 but a 1973 to 1987 'square body' Chevy Suburban K10 Custom Deluxe....
New frame (they're available), minimal rust body from Arizona or New Mexico. Totally rebuild the axles and transfer case. New Cummins engine and 6 speed manual transmission. Use all modern/standardized accessories. Same $60K and 6 months wait as a brand new truck!

Where's the downside?

And I don't need her permission to spend my money. I already have her blessing to take the load off her truck.

The downside is that you've got a '73-'87 Chevy truck. I had one of those. They ride like crap compared to today's trucks.

BTW, my '66 Chevy half ton towed 10 times better than my '86 did.


Look, I'm as nostalgic as the next guy. I love old cars, but I don't want to drive them every day. Today's vehicles are light years better than the junk they were selling us 30 or 40 years ago.
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