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Old 10-08-2015, 07:17 AM   #211
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New 2016 x 213 owner

Getting our 2016 x213 delivered in a couple weeks! Wondering if anyone can recommend a bunk ladder? Also, which covers are the best? Thank you!
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Old 10-09-2015, 09:38 PM   #212
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Congrats! Welcome to the X213 family! (and Jayco family too! )

Here's a thread with ladder ideas for the X213 https://www.jaycoowners.com/forums/f3...eas-26801.html

By covers, do you mean RV covers? If so, I'm no help there, we don't cover ours with anything but snow. LOL
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Old 10-16-2015, 04:20 PM   #213
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Side mirrors questions

Hi, all picking up our 2015 x213 at the end of the month with our 2011 Traverse. Any suggestions on extensions for our side mirrors? I've seen some clip ons at the dealers RV shop, but none that list traverse as being compatible. Thanks, all!

Also do regular twin and King sheets fit ok or should I buy the clips to keep the corners on?

Btw.... Reading this forum from first post to last I got to say, I think we will be very pleased with this trailer! And what a great bunch of post-ers! I love the ladder ideas and hearing others talk over concerns with the access/bike door and a young child has made me feel much better!
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Old 10-17-2015, 10:34 AM   #214
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Hi, all picking up our 2015 x213 at the end of the month with our 2011 Traverse. Any suggestions on extensions for our side mirrors? I've seen some clip ons at the dealers RV shop, but none that list traverse as being compatible. Thanks, all!



Also do regular twin and King sheets fit ok or should I buy the clips to keep the corners on?



Btw.... Reading this forum from first post to last I got to say, I think we will be very pleased with this trailer! And what a great bunch of post-ers! I love the ladder ideas and hearing others talk over concerns with the access/bike door and a young child has made me feel much better!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Traverse have a 5200# towing limit with a 600# max tongue weight? If so, you'll be over limits with this trailer. The GVWR is 5500# and it's not hard to hit that. Then our tongue weight is around 770#, not including 60# for our WDH (which is a light one, most are closer to 100#).

Having had an SUV with similar limits when we bought this trailer, it wasn't hard to see the vehicle wasn't up to the task so we sold it and bought a truck.

We use the Milenco Aero mirrors, and they work on our truck and they worked on our SUV (not a Traverse). And we bought king and twin sheets from IKEA and they are fine. I don't know what clips you are referring to, but we don't need anything special for corners.
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Old 10-17-2015, 02:14 PM   #215
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Traverse have a 5200# towing limit with a 600# max tongue weight? If so, you'll be over limits with this trailer. The GVWR is 5500# and it's not hard to hit that. Then our tongue weight is around 770#, not including 60# for our WDH (which is a light one, most are closer to 100#).

Having had an SUV with similar limits when we bought this trailer, it wasn't hard to see the vehicle wasn't up to the task so we sold it and bought a truck.

We use the Milenco Aero mirrors, and they work on our truck and they worked on our SUV (not a Traverse). And we bought king and twin sheets from IKEA and they are fine. I don't know what clips you are referring to, but we don't need anything special for corners.
Thanks, SilverEscape! We are cutting it close and well aware! But still having the hubby go over the specs again before we drive it off the lot! Dry camping won't be happening and we will be hauling it with very little water in, enough to flush a couple of times and wash our hands only. Mostly it will just be the two of us and 3 yr old, on one or two night trips locally, so I think weight will not be a problem, at least not one that we haven't anticipated!
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Thanks, SilverEscape! We are cutting it close and well aware! But still having the hubby go over the specs again before we drive it off the lot! Dry camping won't be happening and we will be hauling it with very little water in, enough to flush a couple of times and wash our hands only. Mostly it will just be the two of us and 3 yr old, on one or two night trips locally, so I think weight will not be a problem, at least not one that we haven't anticipated!

We don't haul water and we're at 5500# loaded. The tongue is heavy on these trailers. The tongue, with an empty trailer and without propane, battery or spare tire weighs just over 500#. And you'd need it to be around 500 so you have weight room to add the WDH. Adding propane and battery is 60ish pounds, then spare tire, then any additional weight loading the trailer adds. You will be over on tongue weight if your limit is 600#.

There aren't any specs that will tell you the loaded tongue weight before you leave the lot. You don't know these things until you actually weigh it.
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Old 10-17-2015, 07:13 PM   #217
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Quantum... Thoughts on this? From previous posts, I see you are pulling the x213 with a Traverse...we are getting a blue ox WDH.
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Old 10-17-2015, 07:20 PM   #218
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To answer 2015X213. We use a fitted King sheet on the slide out and it works fine. For the bunks we use dorm length twin sheets.

I am looking to get an ADCO cover and was wondering what size I will need. If anyone has one that they found to fit right could you please help out with the size?
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Quantum... Thoughts on this? From previous posts, I see you are pulling the x213 with a Traverse...we are getting a blue ox WDH.
According to Quantum's signature, they own a 2010 model. The 2015 is not the same. I am quite certain the actual dry weight is heavier (they come in around 4300-4500# from the factory), and the tongue weight is also heavier. I've been looking at this trailer since 2008 and back then people talked me out of it with our SUV with similar capabilities to yours. And the trailer is heavier now and with a heavier tongue weight and yet I still thought we could make it work. Wrong.

We had to pull both propane tanks and our spare tire and put them inside the trailer even to tow it home (6 hour drive home). Even then, the tongue was too heavy for our SUV (remember, the WDH adds weight and we have the light Andersen. Yours is heavier.)

Also, even if you load light, and keep it at 5200 loaded (and that's assuming your vehicle can actually town 5200 once loaded with passengers and gear and any accessories you've added to the vehicle; most can tow less after anything but a 150# driver), your tongue is still to heavy for a vehicle with a 600 pound tongue limit. Towing at a 10% tongue is the bare minimum and as I said, this trailer leans towards a heavier tongue, but even at 520, with a 100 pound hitch, you're at 620 which is over your 600 max.

Here, right from your 2011 Traverse manual on page 9-50, Maximum trailer weight is calculated assuming only the driver is in the tow vehicle and it has all the required trailering equipment. The weight of additional optional equipment, passengers and cargo in the tow vehicle must be subtracted from the maximum trailer weight.

This means that you can't even tow 5200 pounds if you have added anything to the vehicle at all, and have any other passengers. So you need to subtract your weight, your child's weight, your child's car seat weight, diaper bags, etc. from the weight you can tow. You're likely looking at not being able to tow more than 4800# or so.

There should be a sticker inside the driver's door with yellow on it that says something like "passengers and cargo can never exceed X pounds", that is what you can actually carry for everything in the vehicle that didn't come from the factory (i.e. anything dealer added is not included) including your trailer tongue and WDH. So that number is a good starting point. Take it, subtract your husband's weight, your weight, your child's weight, the car seat weight, and see what you are left for allowable tongue and WDH hitch weight. That doesn't account for anything else in the vehicle though, but it gives you a starting point. Even with that though, *if* your hitch only allows a 600 pound tongue weight max, I don't see how you can stay under that. Go read the stickers on your hitch to see what the max tongue weight is.

Sorry, I don't mean to belabour the point, but I've already been there done that and made the same mistake. If I can save someone else from putting themselves in an unsafe position, I will do my best to do so.
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According to Quantum's signature, they own a 2010 model. The 2015 is not the same. I am quite certain the actual dry weight is heavier (they come in around 4300-4500# from the factory), and the tongue weight is also heavier. I've been looking at this trailer since 2008 and back then people talked me out of it with our SUV with similar capabilities to yours. And the trailer is heavier now and with a heavier tongue weight and yet I still thought we could make it work. Wrong.

We had to pull both propane tanks and our spare tire and put them inside the trailer even to tow it home (6 hour drive home). Even then, the tongue was too heavy for our SUV (remember, the WDH adds weight and we have the light Andersen. Yours is heavier.)

Also, even if you load light, and keep it at 5200 loaded (and that's assuming your vehicle can actually town 5200 once loaded with passengers and gear and any accessories you've added to the vehicle; most can tow less after anything but a 150# driver), your tongue is still to heavy for a vehicle with a 600 pound tongue limit. Towing at a 10% tongue is the bare minimum and as I said, this trailer leans towards a heavier tongue, but even at 520, with a 100 pound hitch, you're at 620 which is over your 600 max.

Here, right from your 2011 Traverse manual on page 9-50, Maximum trailer weight is calculated assuming only the driver is in the tow vehicle and it has all the required trailering equipment. The weight of additional optional equipment, passengers and cargo in the tow vehicle must be subtracted from the maximum trailer weight.

This means that you can't even tow 5200 pounds if you have added anything to the vehicle at all, and have any other passengers. So you need to subtract your weight, your child's weight, your child's car seat weight, diaper bags, etc. from the weight you can tow. You're likely looking at not being able to tow more than 4800# or so.

There should be a sticker inside the driver's door with yellow on it that says something like "passengers and cargo can never exceed X pounds", that is what you can actually carry for everything in the vehicle that didn't come from the factory (i.e. anything dealer added is not included) including your trailer tongue and WDH. So that number is a good starting point. Take it, subtract your husband's weight, your weight, your child's weight, the car seat weight, and see what you are left for allowable tongue and WDH hitch weight. That doesn't account for anything else in the vehicle though, but it gives you a starting point. Even with that though, *if* your hitch only allows a 600 pound tongue weight max, I don't see how you can stay under that. Go read the stickers on your hitch to see what the max tongue weight is.

Sorry, I don't mean to belabour the point, but I've already been there done that and made the same mistake. If I can save someone else from putting themselves in an unsafe position, I will do my best to do so.
So, ultimately, we contacted our dealer and cancelled our pick up and they are sending us our full down payment. We are certainly disappointed, but relieved we were able to avoid an unsafe situation. After a weekend of furtive research, we came to the same conclusion, SilverEscape. Thanks for your advice!
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