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Old 02-26-2011, 10:08 AM   #1
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Very excited, new X17C

Yesterday we bought our first camping trailer after years of tent camping. I had identified Jayco as manufacturer I really liked but my first dealer experience nearly eliminated them from consideration. Long story short, after nearly pulling the trigger on a Passport, I looked for another Jayco dealer to see if the result would be different. It was and I'm very excited.

We narrowed our choices down to an X20E and the X17C. The X17C met our needs, the X20E added a little luxury via a couch and more room. Ultimately we bought the X17C due to a combination of factors that included cost, our needs, our type and amount of use, and our tow vehicle (ease of towing). I have no regrets but I did love the X20E floor plan.

I have two things initially that I'd be interested in hearing from forum members on with more to come in the future. 1) Any X17C tips that you can pass along would be much appreciated. We're going to Yellowstone this summer and we'll have some practice trips in April and May. So all guidance from the trailer to trip itinerary is welcomed.

2) I've learned that when it comes to towing, opinions abound. Most people I spoke with said our 2006 Pathfinder (6000 lb. max, 600 lb. tongue, V6, 112.2" wheelbase) would have had no trouble towing the X20E (@22', 3665 lbs. dry). I would have a WD hitch with sway control as well. But a couple of very strong opinions within the family told me I'd be nuts to try it. They insisted that it would not be a good towing experience. It doesn't really matter, but I do wonder what others here with similar units believe. Would I have been okay?

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Old 02-26-2011, 02:57 PM   #2
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Congrats on the new rig, Trout and welcome. I don`t have a hybrid and never been to Yellowstone (but would sure like to go someday) so I can`t help ya there. I have camped with a buddy who has one about the same size as yours and they really like it and use it a lot.(he tows with an F-150) In fact, he camped next to me this Fall with it down to 24 degrees one night and made out just fine running just an electric heater, so not being able to camp in a hybrid in cold weather as I hear from time to time is a myth. Of course he has all the special doo dads that cover up the tent ends and fans inside for condensation, sleeping bags, etc. I also know little about the Pathfinder but since you already own it, hitch up and give it a good tryout. I suspect your reluctant family members are concerned about the wheelbase and engine (V6?)? Your numbers look pretty good, of course real world towing is the real test for any combo. Good luck, Lee
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Old 02-26-2011, 05:30 PM   #3
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Congratulations on the new Jayco!

We moved up to a 17Z from a pop up last year and have been very satisfied. We tow with a 2007 V6 4Runner using a WDH/Sway control and have not problems (gas mileage went south but expected that much.) With the sway control we haven't had any problems when a big rig passes. I don't see you having any issues with your Pathfinder.

Also bought the Solar covers from Popup Gizmos as the tent ends can heat up if you are somewhere without shade but haven't got out yet this year.

Our last trip was up in the Blue Ridge mountains in the middle of October but the furnace kept things warm.

Yellowstone, huh? I want to get out there but it's about 2K from NC and the better half isn't keen on that long a trip. (one of these days)
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Welcome to the Jayco Owner Forum Trout34! We almost bought a Keystone Passport but rv reviews encouraged us to go with the Jayco. We've been to Yellowstone. Do you kayak? There is a really neat little little lake near the geysor (sort of) where you can kayak in a realllly neat hot spring area. As for towing, others here will address that for you, but they will want to know what the gvwr is vs the dry weight! Congrats on the new tt!
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Old 02-26-2011, 09:01 PM   #5
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Really appreciate the feedback

First, thanks for the welcome. Second, I've already got some good information I didn't have - fans for condensation, solar covers, and a kayaking spot at Yellowstone. Great stuff. Keep it coming.

On the towing, the 4 Runner comparison has to be very close to the setup I'll be running and its good to hear of your results. I told my 14-year old son that if the Pathfinder had trouble with the X17C (2925 uvw/3500 gvw) when its rated for 6000 lbs. that I was hooking it up to his behind and we were pushing the Pathfinder off the highest peak we could find.

I think we'll be fine with the X17C and love every chance we get to camp. I just may wonder for a while if the X20E would have been too much (3665 uvw/4750 gvw).

Let me toss out another basic question. I want to tow water tanks empty. Do most campgrounds (state, national) have water sources that you can hook a hose up to and fill the tanks appropriately when you arrive but before you go to your campsite. I've seen the dump stations. Do campers use the water fountains/spickets that are usually spread through the park? I probably won't go to too many full hookup sites.

Thanks again for your hospitality.

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Old 02-27-2011, 01:37 PM   #6
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Congrats!

Congrats on your new HTT. We just upgraded from a Viking PUP to the Jayco X20E. We pick it up in early May. We have a 2004 I6 Trailblazer - 4WD that is rated for 6100 lbs. and have been told from a local hitch place as well as from many peeps on these forums that we should be ok. We will install a WD hitch with sway control as well.

The difference in cost for us between the 17Z and the X20E was only about $1000 so we went for it.

Someone on another forum told me to use a 1000 Pound Rule which simply specifies I need 1000 pounds more maximum towing capacity than the trailer really weighs sitting at the curb loaded and ready to go. Conversely I shouldn't tow a trailer weighing more than 1000 pounds less than the max towing capacity.

Our maiden voyage will be when we go pick it up in early May from Indiana. I will post then and let you know if our towing experience was a disaster or not.

Happy trails and congrats again!!!
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Old 02-27-2011, 06:49 PM   #7
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Best of luck

Thanks for sharing. I have to agree with your value call between the x17z and x20e if the price was just $1000 difference. In our case the X17c was $2500 less and I thought the bid was very competitive for the x20e. It was almost identically priced as a Roo 233 we looked at. I thought the Jayco was the way to go.


Good luck and enjoy the summer. After your trailer arrives let me know about your towing experience. It looks like your tow vehicle is rated similarly to my Pathfinder. I'm really curious as to how it goes given we almost went the same route.
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First, thanks for the welcome. Second, I've already got some good information I didn't have - fans for condensation, solar covers, and a kayaking spot at Yellowstone. Great stuff. Keep it coming.

On the towing, the 4 Runner comparison has to be very close to the setup I'll be running and its good to hear of your results. I told my 14-year old son that if the Pathfinder had trouble with the X17C (2925 uvw/3500 gvw) when its rated for 6000 lbs. that I was hooking it up to his behind and we were pushing the Pathfinder off the highest peak we could find.

I think we'll be fine with the X17C and love every chance we get to camp. I just may wonder for a while if the X20E would have been too much (3665 uvw/4750 gvw).

Let me toss out another basic question. I want to tow water tanks empty. Do most campgrounds (state, national) have water sources that you can hook a hose up to and fill the tanks appropriately when you arrive but before you go to your campsite. I've seen the dump stations. Do campers use the water fountains/spickets that are usually spread through the park? I probably won't go to too many full hookup sites.

Thanks again for your hospitality.

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The State parks that we frequent without water hookups do have water available at several locations in the park. They can be used to fill up upon arrival. But it may not be that way everywhere, its a big country! BTW I don`t think you`ll have to push your truck off a peak! Good luck, Lee
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Old 02-27-2011, 07:08 PM   #9
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Hi Trout, will do. I also went back and compared my quotes, the difference between the 17Z and the X20 was $1800 not $1000. The other was the price between the 18D and the X20.

Sorry for any confusion.

I will definitely keep you posted.

Enhoy yours as well this summer.
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By the way, did you happen to see the X23F, that is the newest one on their site
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