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Old 07-31-2014, 11:44 AM   #1
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Biggest Jayco Trailer with a Lincoln Navigator?

We bought our Jayco Flight 22FB a year and a half ago to fit the TV we had at the time, an older GMC Van. Recently, we bought a 2007 Lincoln Navigator L, with a 5.4 and it pulls the 22FB effortlessly. This has caused me to wonder if I couldn't get a bigger camper with a bit more room. We'd love a Jayco Flight 26RLS, but worry the 1500 extra pounds would push us over the edge.

The sticker on the door of the Navigator says the GVWR is 7950 pounds. The 2007 Towing Guide says the Towing Limit for a 2007 Lincoln Navigator 4WD is 8750 pounds. I don't understand the difference between GVWR and Towing Limit. Are they they same?

Our 22fb has a sticker on it that says the weight from the factory is 4500 pounds. The hitch is around 500 pounds. If we have a 1000 pounds with my wife and I that's 6000 pounds. Is there room here for us to get a bigger camper or should we just learn to appreciate what we have and leave it at that?
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Old 07-31-2014, 12:04 PM   #2
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GVWR = Gross Vehicle Weight Rating, which is the maximum total weight that your Navigtor can weigh with passengers and cargo.

Townig guides usually list the max towing capability assuming that all options are there to give it that capacity. So the 8750# minght not apply to you. You owners manual should have more detail about optional equipment and how it affects tow rating.
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Old 07-31-2014, 12:26 PM   #3
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You also need to consider the Rear GAWR. We pulled our X23B with our '03 Expedition 5.4 which is the poor cousin to your Navi.
Our GVWR was 7100# and the Rear GAWR was 4128#. The rear axle had 3100# on it with only the hitch and 3800# when the TT was hitched. We were about 300# from maxing the rear axle. When we travelled with another couple in the rear seat (and their stuff) I figure we were over on the rear axle. The GCWR was 14500# and our GCW was 10380# so we were well below that limit.
All the above came together and I was surprised to learn we were so close on the rear axle but well under on all the other weight limits.
As a result I'm a big fan of the CAT scale. For about $14 you will know exactly what your weights are and how much you can add.
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Old 07-31-2014, 10:49 PM   #4
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07 expedition EL. TT is 2014 264BH. It tows great.
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Old 08-02-2014, 09:04 AM   #5
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When I decided to not have dedicated TV I bought a 03 Navigator (5.4L 32v/4 sp auto)and removed unnecessary stuff (ie junk) out of the front storage and even removed the propane tanks and put them in the rear of the trailer for lightening the tongue weight and did a short trip. Compared to the other TV it did fine my only worry was the old rear air bags but no problems. I didn't weight the combination but depending on your trips (long/short, flat/hills) I definitely think your truck could handle more weight than the current TT.
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Old 08-02-2014, 10:02 AM   #6
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Just a bit of info. Jayco is canceling the 26RLS for 2015. (Dealer Stock Only)

http://www.jayco.com/products/travel...-flight/26rls/

They are replacing it with a 27RLS as per our dealer, he has one on order.

http://www.buyrv.net/rv/selma+tx/jay...y+flight+27rls

To me it looks almost like the same floor plan as the White Hawk 27DSRL. The only noticeable difference are the two windows in the slide out sides and there is a small pantry in the Jay Flight. Because now you can order the Jay Flight with the fiberglass siding.

http://www.cunninghamcampers.com/New...Indiana-769377

Hope this helps.
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Old 08-02-2014, 05:08 PM   #7
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Thanks for all your help. I've been reading here and the other comments in the towing and tow vehicle section and here's what I'm understanding so far: as long as I don't go over the GVWR for the Navigator or too much weight on its rear axle, then all I have to worry about is not going over the 8750 pounds my vehicle can tow. If the the trailer is 6300 pounds and the hitch wt is 700 pounds and we carry 1000 pounds or less in the trailer, that brings the total to 8000 pounds. Is 750 pounds enough leeway? Thanks in advance. If we carry 500 pounds is 1250 pounds less than 8750 enough leeway? What is the proper ratio? Can I go up to the entire 8750?
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I think you are confusing terms. The tongue weight is the weight the hitch "feels" so you don't want to exceed the hitch capacity (rating) and it is also the same weight that gets added to your carried cargo (people, luggage) that is part of the available payload/cargo weight. I think you were referring to it as hitch weight.

You can get the payload capacity by using the trucks GVWR (or look it up):
GVWR minus the actual weight of the truck (CAT scale)=payload.
Ex GVWR 7700 and empty weight of truck is 6,000
7700-6000=1700 available payload

That number (1,700) means the maximum amount of carried payload incl tongue weight of trailer (and hitch weight). You have to add up the weights of all people and cargo and the tongue weight of the trailer and the weight of the hitch (WD). Sometimes this number is posted on the yellow sticker on the door jam or sometimes it is in the owners manual.

The hitch weight you describe is the weight of the weight distributing hitch and hardware which can typically be 150 pounds depending on model.

Tongue weight is typically the trailer weight times 10%-20% (avg 15%) depending on how you distribute the load on the trailer.
Ex if the trailer is 6000 pounds
6000x15%=900 pounds
The typical tongue weight for a 6,000 travel trailer is 900 pounds.

thread on tongue weight:
https://www.jaycoowners.com/forums/f37/measuring-tongue-load-what-can-i-safely-tow-3169.html

So in this scenario you have 1,700 available cargo. Subtract for 2 people (180 pounds each) and 2 suitcase (50 pounds each) and hitch weight of 150 pounds
1700-360 (people)-100 (suitcase)-150 (hitch weight)=1090 pounds capacity left for trailer tongue weight.
1090-900 (tongue weight)=190 pounds under the max capacity (good).

Useful threads:
https://www.jaycoowners.com/forums/f37/what-is-my-actual-tow-rating-3866.html

https://www.jaycoowners.com/forums/f37/rv-and-vehicle-weight-terms-definitions-3872.html
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Old 08-03-2014, 12:17 PM   #9
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Also here is Fords info online (browse it):


http://www.fleet.ford.com/resources/...guideApr08.pdf

Read especially pages 8,20 which pertain to the 07 Ford Expedition (not sure if same drivetrain/suspension) and page 27 refer to ratings info.
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The manual shows the MAXIMUM trailer weight of the truck line. The sticker shows the maximum trailer weight for your specific truck with your options. Power options add weight, the L extension adds weight, 4wd adds weight and the rear gear ratio effects how much can be towed (typically larger number more capacity).

"The sticker on the door of the Navigator says the GVWR is 7950 pounds. The 2007 Towing Guide says the Towing Limit for a 2007 Lincoln Navigator 4WD is 8750 pounds."
No the GVWR is the maximum weight the truck itself can weight. It takes into effect the strength of the axles, tires and frame.

The towing limit is calculated by using the GCWR (factory limit of maximum of truck plus trailer) minus the weight of the truck (incl payload). Yeah it can get confusing. Plus as someone mentioned above you should be within the rear axle rating (don't know where to find that), and the tire ratings (on tires). And so on LOL!

"I don't understand the difference between GVWR and Towing Limit. Are they they same?"
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