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Old 07-30-2011, 10:12 PM   #11
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There are lots of opinions from people, who are well intentioned, but have no experience towing with a smaller SUV.
Bender,

With all do respect, I wouldn't rush to judgment based on a member's "present" signature stats, some of us started out towing with smaller SUV's, etc., I know I did.

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snip.......I asked my service department about the tow rating and they assured me that the tow ratings are conservative, if anything, because they want to avoid replacing transmissions and engines.
I've run into that statement over the years as well, but I would never advise (or imply) anyone that it's ok to tow over the manufacturer's specified weight limits (Tow Rating, GVWR, GAWR, GCWR, etc.) of any TV, small or large SUV/Truck. What is the quantitative value of "conservative" in this context anyway? When a service department states that tow ratings are conservative, IMO they are just creating job security.

I agree that a manufacture "may" build in a little wiggle room within their weight specifications...., I just wouldn't want to be the beta test to find out how little was actually put in .

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He did say I needed a good WD hitch and brake controller but said my Outlander is an excellent choice of tow vehicle.
Take a close look at your Outlander's receiver rating sticker, many of the receivers for small SUV's are not rated for use under weight distribution conditions, only weight carrying.

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snip.....After I pick mine up in Newport NH in the morning I am driving to the New Brunswick, Maine border for the night. That will give me 6 hours driving experience and I will be glad to let you know how it goes.
It will be good information based on your TV/TT combo...., but once you are towing under loaded conditions in less than desirable road/weather conditions this will also be valuable feedback as well, and please update this thread at that time.

I think there's value in presenting to someone that's just getting into towing what the manufacturer's specified weight limits mean, and how they apply to their specific TV/TT combination. Once they understand this, if an individual elects to exceed a given weight limit, well, that's their choice.

Don't get me wrong, I like the "newer" small SUV's, and my brother has owned nothing but. I've been tossing the idea around about getting one as a daily driver, and use for my bicycle trips.

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Old 07-31-2011, 08:24 AM   #12
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Nobodys mentioned DRAG, the killer of all tv's, the lower the power the faster the death!!!!!!!!!!! Larry
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Old 07-31-2011, 09:19 PM   #13
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I was told I could tow a 17z with my minivan. I bought my trailer in April. I bought a new vehicle in June to replace my minivan. My neighbour pulls the same trailer with his mini-van and is fine. I just was not comfortable. So can you do it. Yes. But its what you are comfortable with. I kept ignoring advice thinking I would be fine and in the end the entire experience cost me a lot more because I got little trade in for the mini van.

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In defense of bender031177;
The Canadian RV magazine columnist you refer to is probably Andy from CanAm RV. I first met Andy circa 1982. We were both recently out of college, and he had just taken over the reins at the local Airstream dealership. This was a time when the automakers were rapidly changing their cars from V8 rear wheel drive, over to smaller front wheel drive with uni-body construction. Andy set about to find real world towing combinations that worked well together. He was, and is very successful at this. I have TOTAL FAITH in his judgment on what towing combinations will work. One thing to keep in mind, Andy’s focus is on TT’s which are more aerodynamic that most, such as Airstream and a couple other brands. As one other post here referred to, the aerodynamic drag of the typical square box TT, is a big stumbling block to over come. If you ever happen to meet Andy at an RV show, he will proudly show you his scale model complete with fan and ribbon streamers, to demonstrate the effect TT shape has on drag.
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I met Andy and he is a great guy and knows what he is talking about.
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Just because you can buy a hitch for it, doesn't mean you should be pulling a trailer with it.
I see many vehicles that are NO business pulling any sort of trailer behind it.
The Highlander is larger, the RAV4 is a toy, good for being towed, but not for towing....
I'd be really leery of either!
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In defense of bender031177;
The Canadian RV magazine columnist you refer to is probably Andy from CanAm RV.....snip
David,

I have never met Andy Thomson, but have ran across and read a number of his articles over the years, and his name pops up once in awhile over on the AIR forum.

The one thing that I have gleamed from his articles is that he seems to work with real numbers (manufacture specifications, loads, limits, etc.), hands-on experience, and has a broad knowledge base. I would also believe when he "blesses" a given TV/TT combination he does so with the understanding that the correct TV receiver (one of his favorite topics), TV WDH spec limits, WDH rating, and general TV/TT weight limits are taken into consideration.

I concur with Andy Thomson's approach to insuring one has a safe TV/TT combination...., as represented in his following statement:

"A class 2 hitch is generally rated for 350 lbs. of hitch weight and 3500 lbs. of total weight; however they have a small receiver tube and will not accept an equalizing hitch. Even if they could be outfitted with a load equalizing device, they would not withstand the torque that the equalizing hitch exerts. "

Quote was taken from the following article: http://www.canamrv.ca/~canamrvc/hitch-hints/hh-37-2/

I don't believe Andy would recommend towing a loaded TT that exceeds the TV's specified (and/or actual) towing weight limits even though an up-graded TV receiver can accommodate the TT loaded weight.

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David,

I have never met Andy Thomson, but have ran across and read a number of his articles over the years, and his name pops up once in awhile over on the AIR forum.

The one thing that I have gleamed from his articles is that he seems to work with real numbers (manufacture specifications, loads, limits, etc.), hands-on experience, and has a broad knowledge base. I would also believe when he "blesses" a given TV/TT combination he does so with the understanding that the correct TV receiver (one of his favorite topics), TV WDH spec limits, WDH rating, and general TV/TT weight limits are taken into consideration.

I concur with Andy Thomson's approach to insuring one has a safe TV/TT combination...., as represented in his following statement:

"A class 2 hitch is generally rated for 350 lbs. of hitch weight and 3500 lbs. of total weight; however they have a small receiver tube and will not accept an equalizing hitch. Even if they could be outfitted with a load equalizing device, they would not withstand the torque that the equalizing hitch exerts. "

Quote was taken from the following article: http://www.canamrv.ca/~canamrvc/hitch-hints/hh-37-2/

I don't believe Andy would recommend towing a loaded TT that exceeds the TV's specified (and/or actual) towing weight limits even though an up-graded TV receiver can accommodate the TT loaded weight.

Bob
Bob,

Yes, I agree with all your comments on this thread and other towing topics. If Andy had given a positive review on a TV-TT combination, then it would be a safe combination. The original post regarding the Rav-4 towing that 2,700 lb UVW TT arrangement, I still think is not a safe combination. I'm willing to bet, Andy would have a similar view of that combination. The Highlander TV is a slightly different case, and I'm not familiar enough with that TV, but it seems to be slightly more beefy in construction. The original post was asking mostly why the two vehicles differed in ratings. Perhaps collectively we answered that question, and in the process we raised other questions.
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snip......and in the process we raised other questions.
David,

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Bender if you were meaning me.. I towed a tent trailer with a Mazda 6 and a 25' Aero lite with a ford Ranger..

I have read Andy's columns for years and enjoy them.. but the one thing he has never addressed is if insurance will cover you in an accident with one of his setups... remember they love to find ways out of paying a claim.
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