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Old 01-28-2016, 02:33 PM   #11
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First a disclaimer: I'll NEVER recommend anyone to ride above the stated limits, I don't want that liability.
That being said, I'm not being speculative when I say twice for I have witnessed a SUV with 600 lbs tongue weight limit to tow a trailer with more than 1000 lbs tongue weight for 30K miles and had no issues.
I think during the last two decades a lot of engineering have developed on this issue and I think we need to start better defining the problem: If you want to go uphill at 65mph, then buy a big engine, if you want to solve swing problems, buy a hensley or pro pride hitch...
almost every post I read about problems and difficult situations it's the swing thing that is involved, so why not simple eliminate it?
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Another engineering solution:
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First a disclaimer: I'll NEVER recommend anyone to ride above the stated limits, I don't want that liability.
That being said, I'm not being speculative when I say twice for I have witnessed a SUV with 600 lbs tongue weight limit to tow a trailer with more than 1000 lbs tongue weight for 30K miles and had no issues.
I think during the last two decades a lot of engineering have developed on this issue and I think we need to start better defining the problem: If you want to go uphill at 65mph, then buy a big engine, if you want to solve swing problems, buy a hensley or pro pride hitch...
almost every post I read about problems and difficult situations it's the swing thing that is involved, so why not simple eliminate it?
Towing over recommended manufacturers weight ratings doesn't make it right, or safe, you should know this.

No one is talking about towing up a mountain at 65 mph, (don't know where you got that from), but with the right truck and hitch, SWAY isn't an issue, and you don't struggle trying to go 35-40 mph up the same mountain...It's common sense and basic math that will help one match a TV up with what they want to tow, using truck manufacturers recommended weights.

You say you wouldn't recommend it, but you speculate ratings could be twice as high as manufacturer recommends:face palm: How is that not saying it's "OK"?
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Old 01-28-2016, 02:50 PM   #14
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"How is that not saying it's "OK"?"
That is not to say you are ok to drive over the limits.

That is to say you are ok to drive close (but under) the limits.
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Why so much focus on sway? When I was towing near my maximums with my GMC, it wasn't sway I was worried about. In fact, I didn't have hardly any sway problems. What I DID have were problems being under-powered, stability problems, sag problems, porpoising problems, potential braking problems, and did I mention power problems? On top of all that, I was at my specified maximums with a child on the way. And I knew things were only going to get heavier as that little boy grows up.

Sure, we can argue till we're blue in the face about what the actual engineering capacities are (ie, failure point) vs what the printed documentation says, but none of that matters. What matters is that you're safe and comfortable out there on the road. And I for one don't want to find out that my truck will have a catastrophic failure at XX lbs.
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I watch a movie called the "long long trailer" starring Lucy and Desi Arnez and they used a dolly between the trailer and the car to eliminate the tongue weight issue. I also found out that they are still made today...they are called trailer toads and may save you buying a vehicle just for the purpose of towing your trailer.

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Before thinking on changing the truck, I would buy a 3P propride or Hensley hitch. It may be that it's all you need to tow with comfort.
I've noticed that on this and at least one other thread, you're a huge proponent for the Hensley or the ProPride hitches. I wonder if you understand ALL of the problem. If sway is your issue, then yes, the most elegant and effective solution (albeit VERY expensive) may be a Hensley or ProPride. But you DO understand that this equipment does not increase the rated capacity of the tow vehicle, right? If you're over your numbers, you're over. No hitch will change that. It MIGHT make it FEEL better when you're over your numbers, but you're still over your numbers. Period.

These are not subjective terms we're talking about here that are open to interpretation. Your truck scales at XX lbs fully loaded, your GVWR is YY lbs, the difference is what's left for additional payload to include the tongue of the trailer and your hitch and tackle. That's it. Period. And I can tell you from experience that if the gap between XX and YY is narrow, it's not fun.
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I'm brand new to camping, just purchased a new camper and I'm second guessing the vehicle I have currently as a tow vehicle......snip
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Since you already have the TV and TT, the first thing I would do is find out where you fall with your present TV and TT weight specifications (limits) ....., good to start with actual "real" weights based on "your" loading habits.

I would recommend loading your TV/TT like you would for a camping trip. "If" you will normally tow with water in the TT fresh water tank, add the water. Also, have a full tank of fuel in your TV.

Take your loaded TV/TT (with passengers) to your local CAT scale. The following JOF link will walk you through the weigh-in process. If you have a friend that has towed TT's before, have him join you for the weigh-in.

CAT scale how-to: https://www.jaycoowners.com/forums/f3...v-tt-3871.html

The weigh-in process will tell you just about everything you need to know like: confirms proper WDH size & adjustment, loaded TT tongue weight, loaded weight relationship to TV weight limits, etc..

One thing to keep in mind, the "loaded" tongue weight of the TT gets subtracted from your TV's payload capacity (tongue weight is supported by the TV)....., the CAT results will reflect the impact.

At the end of the day if your TV/TT loaded weights fall within your TV/TT manufacture's specified weight limits, then it's up to you to decide if your TV meets your towing expectations. If you find that your loaded weights exceed your TV's limits, now you have some actual "loaded" weight data to use in the decision making process.

Just food for thought...; The Hensley Arrow and ProPride are superior WDH's, but they do weigh at least twice as much as a Reese or Equal-i-zer brand WDH with integrated sway control...., the WDH weight is also subtracted from a TV's payload capacity.

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With the experience I have with towing trailers (not just campers) you should consider how many miles you are going to make a year while pulling your camper. If you plan on towing your camper every weekend to a different place then you may want to consider an upgrade to a 2500 (3/4 ton) truck. If you plan on towing your trailer maybe 3-5 times a year then you should consider a hitch leveller system and possibly air bags for your 1500. The Ram 1500 you have with the 5.7 and gears you have will be plenty capable of towing your rig. (downfall with the Rams are the coil suspensions). I personally have a 2500 and still use a levelling hitch with our camper trailer. (I didn't need a 2500 but was time to upgrade and got a power wagon)

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I have a 32BHDS and here are my numbers with my old truck (2005 Silverado 2500HD Diesel 4x4). It may help with your decisions. This was on my way home from camping with my family - minimal water in the tanks.

WDH connected
Steer axle: 4120 lbs
Drive axle: 4920 lbs
Trailer axle: 8100 lbs
Total axle: 17140 lbs

WDH not connected
Steer axle: 3980 lbs
Drive axle: 5120 lbs
Trailer axle: 8040 lbs
Total axle: 17140 lbs

Truck only
Steer axle: 4400 lbs
Drive axle: 3600 lbs
Total axle: 8000 lbs

Gross Combined Weight 17,140
This weight should not exceed your truck's GCWR.



Truck Weight (hitched + WDH engaged) 9,040
This weight should not exceed your truck's GVWR.



Truck Weight (hitched; no WDH) 9,100




Truck Weight (truck only) 8,000




Camper Weight 9,140




Tongue Weight 1,100




Tongue Weight Percentage 12 %
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