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Old 08-08-2013, 09:24 PM   #1
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17z or 19h

We looked at a 17z this past weekend, loved it. Also saw a roo 19 since there were no jayco 19h in stock. Love the dual axle and larger awning of the 19's. There is used one that we might look at this weekend. It's a 2004.
Anyway, we are a family of four with two girls ages 8 and 10. Towing with a Kia borrego that is a truck frame, rear wheel drive suv (the biggest one they made) and has a tow rating of 5000lbs. The V8 tows 7500, wish I had that.
How is the 19 in towing? I see it's about 3600lbs before we add our stuff. We pack our 2700lbs pop up pretty light.
Is the 17 too small for four? Am worried about that small Ccc. Is the 10' awning sufficient?
We usually take trips within 2 hours and one long trip a year (about 600 miles) so the larger 19 makes me worried with the extra weight.
What should a look for in the 2004 model?
Any other comments, suggestions...am open.

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Old 08-08-2013, 09:30 PM   #2
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We have a 17z we use with 4, (old, old, 19 and 15) and find it works well. We downsized 3 years ago from a Class A motorhome, and have only one regret. Not doing it sooner.

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Old 08-08-2013, 09:54 PM   #3
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Welcome to the JOF flash828! As long as you can tow the rv with the tv safely, it comes down to floor plan preference as well as model design preferred. Members posting here can offer things to consider including storage available unit (in and outside); sleeping accommodations without having to break down a couch etc etc. If both models work for the tv that you have, which one allows for the considerations of both persons (kids etc) that may use the tt in the years you will have the unit? Happy shopping
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Old 08-08-2013, 10:46 PM   #4
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We have a 19h and love it. We looked at the 17, but thought it was to small, and I wanted the double axle. I am townig with a chev colorado, It has a 5500lb tow rating, It does all right on flat and no head or cross wind, but put hills or wind in the picture and it works it. It will pull it, but it screams at 3000 rpm in 3rd and drinks heavily. Might have something to do with a small truck pulling that big wall behind it. I am looking for a cap for the truck to see if it will streamline it a bit. If you can, see if they will let you take it for a hour long road trip to try it on the road and see how your Kia does. Let us know.

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Old 08-08-2013, 10:55 PM   #5
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17z or 19h

Difference between pulling a popup and a travel trailer is major. It not just the weight difference, it's the big wall of wind resistance behind your TV. I had a Tacoma pulling my x20e, and like others had said, it was fine on flat land but was screaming up any incline, ended trading for a Tundra. The Tundra pulls the TT like a dream.
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Old 08-09-2013, 08:46 AM   #6
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Have to agree with Chillywilly and HeadHunter for sure on this one, we tow a 19H with a V8 Explorer and it is a great combination. We towed a 17 before that with the same Explorer and the difference is substantial in weight. Even though the TV has a better than 7000 lb tow capacity, I don't think I would want to tow anything larger than the 19H without upgrading to a full size pickup.Hope that helps in your decision making......Happy shopping.
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Old 08-09-2013, 10:15 AM   #7
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Thanks for all the info.....

We are in Northern KY which does have a few rolling hills. Not worried about those, worried about the times going to PA, NY or FL (TN/KY border is a killer). I've seen some Borrego towing Visa's with around 3600 Dry and they say it does great. They slope a little more in the front though, don't know how much that really helps...still a barn door. Even with the autostick and being able to drop it down to 3rd I don't want to burn it up. Might have to stick with 17. Wish it had a bigger awning!!! The starcraft sister has the bigger awning but the Grey/Black tanks are so small. It's also more narrow.

...Was going to look at a used 19 but he said it had a damp spot near the door, sounds like the rear bed leaked....Pass.

I'll have to ask if the local RV place will let me test tow there 19. How likely are places to do this???
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Remember that your 5000 pound tow rating is based on a 150 pound driver and a full tank of gas. Add in the weight of cargo in vehicle, your passengers, and stuff on the 19h and at best your are right at 5000 pounds. Always best to not put your vehicle at the maxr tow capacity (90% is a good rule of thumb).
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Old 08-09-2013, 10:26 PM   #9
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My wife and I have the 17Z. Our TV is rated for 4500 pounds, so we stuck with the smaller camper (3500 pounds max capacity). If we had a larger TV, we would have purchased the 19H just for the extra axle and larger cargo carrying capacity (The 17Z can only carry 400 pounds, as its as-delivered weight is 3100 pounds).

That said, we love the 17Z and are very happy with our purchase.
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Old 08-10-2013, 07:24 AM   #10
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I have a 19H because my dad had one. I liked it that much. How long until you think you might buy another tow vehicle? I think you can tow it, but you are going to be right at your limits. My yellow weight sticker with everything installed on my 2011 model is 3750 pounds, and that year was a little heavier than other years.

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