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Old 08-28-2013, 07:41 PM   #1
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New to Hybrid need some advice.....

To all,

We have been campers since 1978, started with tents, (4) PUP's, (1) TT and just sold our 29ft. class "C".......So, next is a Hybrid. We are looking at a new Jayco X23b OR X20E. There are only the two of us, and I will be getting a new TV for it.
Now, what are your likes/dislikes about there two? Will I need an Equalizer Hitch? What size TV would you recommend? Brand as well..

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Old 08-28-2013, 09:32 PM   #2
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I have the x20e and love it. Looked at the 23 but it was just more space than I needed. I often camp alone BUT also have 5 daughters so any combo of them/friends might come along. Plenty of sleeping space with the bunk ends, the sofa and the dining space. I often just turtle and use the convertible sofa as my bed. My favorite aspect is the sofa. Great place to read or hang out when raining, etc. The biggest downside is the lack of kitchen counter space. No issue with storage space though.

So if I were to be using this for 2 people and planned to stay out a week at a time or travel around for a while i would choose the 23. If you mostly do weekends and the occasional week then the 20 is a good choice.

As for tv I can only state that my Toyota Sequoia is more than adequate. I would never tow without an Equilizer type hitch on an SUV or probably even 1/2 ton PU.
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If it was just the wife and I I'm not sure I'd go with a 2-bunk hybrid to be honest. The second bunk is a whole wall and you'll have to put it down to get some light in.

I've got the x23b and I love it for the space and storage. The extra cabinet space is significant. The few extra feet of awning would be nice as well imo.

I pull mine with a Touareg TDI. I do have a reese WD setup and agree it's required as the tongue weight on these things ends up being a lot more than the documented number. My last trip I was at #650.

In general I'd suggest a 1/2 ton pick up. As for brand, well pick the one you like. None of them would sweat too much over it. If you go with an SUV, then I'd be a lot more careful as the loaded weights push the limits of a lot of them.
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Old 08-28-2013, 10:32 PM   #4
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If it was just the wife and I I'm not sure I'd go with a 2-bunk hybrid to be honest. The second bunk is a whole wall and you'll have to put it down to get some light in.

I've got the x23b and I love it for the space and storage. The extra cabinet space is significant. The few extra feet of awning would be nice as well imo.

I pull mine with a Touareg TDI. I do have a reese WD setup and agree it's required as the tongue weight on these things ends up being a lot more than the documented number. My last trip I was at #650.

In general I'd suggest a 1/2 ton pick up. As for brand, well pick the one you like. None of them would sweat too much over it. If you go with an SUV, then I'd be a lot more careful as the loaded weights push the limits of a lot of them.
How do you measure your tongue weight?
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Old 08-28-2013, 10:56 PM   #5
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We have the 23B and it is a great trailer, and love it. Check out my signature line to see some of the modifications that I have done to make it ours. There are three of us and an occasional friend. Couple of the selling points for us, where; if we were just stopping for the night, if it was raining hard or at a rest stop to take a nap or even just to get something to eat we did not have to fully open up. The 23B has LOTs of counter and storage space.

Probably the only things I do not like is the awning, at the door end it ends right at the door so if you have the door open and there is a slight breeze from the nose of the HTT, the inside of the door will be wet, so you have to keep the door closed. I wish it came with 14” or larger tires, I really do not think larger rims will fit, but I have not measured yet.

My recommendation is go to the dealer, ditch the salesperson and sit in each trailer, dig through them and ponder where you would place all your stuff, and where and how would you get to your destination.

As for a hitch; I would pick out one with an integrated sway control. I have an Equalizer brand WDH, but I have also used the Reese Dual Cam with really good results.

As for a TV; make sure you pick one out that has plenty of reserve towing capacity, as the manufactures typically measure the towing capacity from an empty vehicle with a full tank of gas and just a 170 lb driver, with NO cargo of any type, which also will reduces your towing capacity.
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How do you measure your tongue weight?
I picked up a scale to sanity check things before we head out.

http://www.amazon.com/Sherline-LM100...sherline+scale
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Old 08-29-2013, 08:59 AM   #7
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We have the X20E. It is our second Jayco hybrid. We love it. We had been looking at them for several years. Its about the max our Trailblazer can tow. What we like the best is the slide and the couch. It only goes out about a foot or so but man, what a difference it makes in floor space. There is lots and lots of storage. And a full bathroom. Our last hybrid had what is called a wet bath. VERY small. The X20E also has an ottoman that pulls out from the dinette and doubles as a storage cabinet. We often have 3 adults (myself, wife, and daughter) and we still have plenty of room in the X20E. When its just my wife and I, we use the back bed for storage, though since this trailer is a lot bigger than our old one, we really don't have a lot of loose stuff that needs a place to go.

There are only a few things we don't like, and the negatives are far outweighed by the positives. It only has a 10 ft awning. But after a couple of trips that hasn't been as big of a deal as I thought it would be. The wardrobe closet only holds a few jackets, though there is a lot of room on the floor of the closet. Our old '03 Kiwi 17a had a huge wardrobe for a small trailer. So we use the cabinets above the couch for folded clothes. Almost no counter space. Since we almost never cook inside we got an "RV" cutting board that has a non-slip mat and sits on the stove top. Problem solved. No drawers for utensils. We got creative with baskets in the pantry. Next year I'm going to make some sliding shelves in one of the pantry cabinets. The X20E doesn't have pass though storage. I would trade the ottoman for pass through storage.

We've looked at the X23B. Its really bigger than we need. What you do gain with the X23B over the X20E is counter space, an extra wardrobe closet, extra floor space, a 13ft awning, and pass through storage. If we had a couple of little kids at home yet the X23B would be ideal. One thing we don't like about the X23B is the location of the TV mount. Right above a counter top, where we would most likely have the coffee maker and other things that would be in the way of viewing. Not to mention splatter from coffee and food prep is probably not the best thing for electronics.

If you can go and look at them to compare that's the best thing you can do. Take your time, sit in each one and imagine how you'd use it.

As far as a tow vehicle goes, since you don't have one yet you are in an ideal position. Look for something that has a tow capacity of 6-7k. A half ton quad cab or extended PU is ideal for two people.
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Old 08-29-2013, 12:08 PM   #8
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I also have a 23B, but travel with more people. We thought about a 20E, but in the end wanted a bit more space. One thing not mentioned yet that mattered to us is that the 23B also has a bigger fridge with a separate freezer.
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We have an X20E, but it's just two of us and two large-ish dogs (95 lb and 70 lb ridgebacks). We recently spent 3 weeks in it and it was fine for space. We took the legs off of the table and then set the table top in the back out of the way when camping. I really like the 23, but it was too much for our TV (an FJ Cruiser). I especially like the counter space and bigger fridge in the 23 but again, it was a little too big for our TV. We're planning another 2 weeks coming up.

IMO, if you can take the 23 you'll be happy. If you can only get the 20 for whatever reason, you'll also be happy.
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Old 08-30-2013, 07:12 AM   #10
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We have an X20E, but it's just two of us and two large-ish dogs (95 lb and 70 lb ridgebacks). We recently spent 3 weeks in it and it was fine for space. We took the legs off of the table and then set the table top in the back out of the way when camping. I really like the 23, but it was too much for our TV (an FJ Cruiser). I especially like the counter space and bigger fridge in the 23 but again, it was a little too big for our TV. We're planning another 2 weeks coming up.

IMO, if you can take the 23 you'll be happy. If you can only get the 20 for whatever reason, you'll also be happy.
We have a 23b and really enjoy it, the size is perfect for us, but like several others said go to a dealership and look at them. As far as tow vehicle, I woudl suggest either a larger suv or a true half ton truck. I am using a F150 super crew with the ecoboost engine and it works great. I had a Honda Ridgeline and loved the suv (it really wasn't a truck) but didn't feel safe towing the trailer on the interstate.
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